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Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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> I was auto-upgraded to it a few weeks ago The train wreck starts there. Who wants a system that auto upgrades itself without the user permission?

I want auto updates for security patches, please.

Ubuntu update notification allows the user to optionally see details of updates: https://www.addictivetips.com/app/uploads/2021/01/ubuntu-upd...

From there you can see what is being update and what the update does. You can even choose not to install one update or another or even not update a system component or another.

So, if you're afraid a new LO version may break compatibility with documents you work on but GNOME updates will improve usability, you can disable one specific update. Very simple and user friendly. For users who don't know, understand or don't care, they will simply click update.

Canonical is also planning to use snaps for some desktop or core components so they can have security updates automatically installed in the background. This is a somewhat polemic topic, but I understand their rationale: some people simply choose never to update because they have been burned by bad past experiences. Of course, the more advanced user can still disable it.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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The 160 character limit is an ancient relic of 2008 (unlike Chrome)

The 160 limit per message segment is absolutely still a thing, but when you receive a message >160 characters your phone stitches the segments back together for you so you don't notice. Why this matters: SMS delivery is usually priced per message segment. Going over the 160 limit ~doubles the cost to deliver the text. (Source: I am the CEO of a company which sends millions of text messages and avoiding 2 segment mess…

> I am the CEO of a company which sends millions of text messages and avoiding 2 segment messages saves us thousands each month!

How much is each customer worth to you?

Which is worse for your business - all your customers getting a cringey needs 2know if U wish 2stay in Autopay text and thinking that your entire business is unprofessional, or spending an extra $0.001 per customer per month to send them a message that reads F0rmatFunction can automatically pay your bill each month, but we need your approval. Change your mind? Cancellation is easy, just text "No" to this number. Respond "OK" to enable auto-pay! I'd rather get the latter for sure!

Sure, it's good to let those generating the messages know where the threshold is. Concise communication is best, sometimes you can be equally professional and just pick a different synonym or structure, and save the company some money. But sacrificing quality of a $20/mo service to save $0.001 per customer seems unwise, even if it adds up to a thousand-dollar bill.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Back when Edgeium was new and just Chrome but with a lot of Google cruft removed, I actually used Edge instead of Chrome when I was on Windows. It was the same browser with some additional tweaks that I quite liked. Then Microsoft started this aggressive, disruptive push to bring it to iOS Safari's level as the only browser people should use. I don't know any good operating systems for normal people anymore. Windows…

> Linux has been making progress but still isn't a good alternative for the common user unless they have an expert to rely upon when something breaks down

IME "common users" already rely on an expert when their Windows OS breaks down. Not long ago I had to walk my aunt through opening the command prompt in Windows 10 and entering the command to do a full reboot (as opposed to that hybrid shutdown+hibernation) because for some reason i couldn't really figure out from the phone the WiFi stopped working even after shutdown/reboots (she shuts her computer down whenever she isn't using it and she called me after not having connection for days). I remembered reading at some point that normally in Win10 the kernel doesn't shutdown fully but instead hibernates and my guess was that the WiFi driver somehow got in a state that didn't let it work and instead of restarting at reboot it was getting hibernated so i tried to do a full reboot. Which worked, though it could have also been something else that happened to get unstuck after the full reboot - at some other time she also had the entire taskbar get frozen and that would persist normal reboots (via alt+f4 and selecting to reboot) which was also "fixed" by that full reboot (she has the steps and commands to type written in a piece of paper by now :-P).

Not to mention the myriad of issues encountered due to forced updates.

I think that the whole "Windows is good for common users" idea is very outdated nowadays, it might have been the case a decade or so ago, but it certainly isn't anymore.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Stuff like this (not my post): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29416956 I just remember that every time I reopen Firefox (to test it for something), some new annoying thing like Pocket or some other trendy extension I didn't ask for has suddenly appeared. And it's always bugging me with CHECK OUT WHAT WE ADDED popups. I don't CARE about your new features, just let me browse the web and stay outta the way, damn i…

That's not a dark pattern, it's just obnoxious advertising garbage. Which is still bad, but a different thing. FWIW this is also one of my least favorite things about FF. What the fuck is the point of unobtrusive background auto-updating if you're also going to annoy me with ads every single time you do it?

> unobtrusive background auto-updating

On that same point, whenever something starts failing to work on firefox (on Windows or Linux), I have come realize that it's probably an "unobtrusive auto-update" that is causing it. Sure enough, closing and restarting firefox gives me a new tab showing what was just "unobtrusively auto-updated", and whatever was broken is now working again.

I don't think they know what "unobtrusive" means.

Having said that, even with the previous complaints it's still much better than the privacy problems with chrome, at least in my opinion.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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That is exactly what I love about Windows 11 particularly. I don't have to deal the abdominations like Microsoft News, just a winget away. Don't like Edge? winget uninstall -e "Microsoft.Edge"

i look at advancements like this in Windows and think it's really cool. But after spending so many years, especially in the late 90s and early 2000s, getting shit from a bunch of khaki wearing, corporate butt kissing MSCE types about how Linux is "get what you pay for" and constantly mocking that all this "free software can't do anything" and then sitting back and watching Linux empowering cloud computing, Unix/Linux…

> "watching Microsoft do things like making Notepad use Unix EOL characters"

A system which still pretends you're talking through a teletype, a system where it would make sense to use both CR and LF together and individually to move the cursor accross or down or both, shuns it.

Windows never did mandate it, applications can use any line ending they like, but used it as a convention for backwards compatability with DOS which was backwards compatible with CP/M. CRLF is the standard in SMTP, POP, IMAP and HTTP.

To watch Linux fanatics:

1) identify Linux with Unix, for "superiority by association".

2) personally identify with the use of LF as a newline indicator in text(!)

3) fantasise that Microsoft's use of CRLF is inexplicable, inferior, dictatorial and in some way objectively wrong, while Linux's parroting of Unix is superior, amazing and in some way objectively correct.

4) Ignore that the American Standards Institute draft of control characters from 1963 had only CRLF newlines, and Multics from 1964 didn't go with the standard when it could have.

5) personally feel superior and vindicated that Microsoft's basic text editor changed newline terminators...

6) ... a program they don't even use ...

7) ... while in the same breath complaining about how everything should be like Linux and they've said so for years, but now it is that way it's also bad; "fuck you fuck everyone I was here before it was cool, I was angry that you didn't do it my way and now I'm angry that you are doing it my way".

8) while ignoring the elephant in the room that the "everything as text" OS with tools that "do one thing well" is completely incapable of handling both styles of line endings.

Is just a ridiculous situation.

> "doing everything they can to make using GIT on windows, an easy experience, and so forth and so on.."

What a terrible company, doing things to make users lives easier. Imagine if all the standard Linux tools could just handle common line endings. Python does, which demonstrates it's totally possible and mostly a non-issue. It could have been made to completely go away, but instead has become a source of Ego and Pride for the Linux fanatic, thinking people who use tools that deal with complexity and present it simply are inferior, instead of thinking that those tools are desirable and superior.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Back when Edgeium was new and just Chrome but with a lot of Google cruft removed, I actually used Edge instead of Chrome when I was on Windows. It was the same browser with some additional tweaks that I quite liked. Then Microsoft started this aggressive, disruptive push to bring it to iOS Safari's level as the only browser people should use. I don't know any good operating systems for normal people anymore. Windows…

If you're a user with low experience and all you want is to browse the web Linux actually works quite nicely.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Steam with proton, proton glorious eggroll, vulkan, lutris, and recent changes to wine have been a godsend for gaming on linux. It's night and day now. Aside from some really old games and newer competitive games (which I don't play regardless of OS), there are very few games that I can't play well in my 200+ steam games library. I often play native games in Windows emulation mode because a lot of linux ports are ter…

> proton glorious eggroll what?

https://github.com/GloriousEggroll/proton-ge-custom

An experimental patchset for Wine/Proton. Might help with some newer titles, and Steam gives you the choice per-game to target a specific Proton version.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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games and all gaming related software

No one at my company needs games or gaming related software to do work. I imagine that's true for most companies.

Some people use the computer for leisure as well. And some of these even enjoy computer video games. Crazy, I know.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Steam with proton, proton glorious eggroll, vulkan, lutris, and recent changes to wine have been a godsend for gaming on linux. It's night and day now. Aside from some really old games and newer competitive games (which I don't play regardless of OS), there are very few games that I can't play well in my 200+ steam games library. I often play native games in Windows emulation mode because a lot of linux ports are ter…

> proton glorious eggroll what?

It's a version of proton with some of the enhancements that the main proton team either won't or haven't added yet. I haven't looked into whether it's an individual dev doing this on their own or if they are affiliated with the proton team. I run the GE versions of proton because they solve some problems I have in certain games without breaking anything. It's my understanding that the proton devs are from the same team as the wine devs and that they have strict rules about introducing new code that doesn't meet certain standards for wine (i.e. affecting more than just games). The GE builds include some of this code that hasn't been integrated yet "in the right way".

This is all just my understanding from reading various discussions, so may be incorrect in whole or in part.

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