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Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by marcodiego »

jeroenhd wrote: post #190

Back when Edgeium was new and just Chrome but with a lot of Google cruft removed, I actually used Edge instead of Chrome when I was on Windows. It was the same browser with some additional tweaks that I quite liked. Then Microsoft started this aggressive, disruptive push to bring it to iOS Safari's level as the only browser people should use. I don't know any good operating systems for normal people anymore. Windows…

> window snapping is nice

A long time ago, I helped the development of some useful compiz plugins: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-X9bcrJ3TjY .

I abandoned the development when compiz was rewritten in c++, but the next step we planned was to add the choice of some fixed window layouts. Seems very close to what window snapping turned out.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by ehutch79 »

dvngnt_ wrote: post #217
mnholt wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> macOS only runs on very expensive hardware and doesn't run most programs people need (because the business world is still Windows oriented) What programs won't run on macOS that "normal people" are going to need? In my experience most "normal people" use a web browser, the Office suite, and maybe some Adobe programs.

games and all gaming related software

No one at my company needs games or gaming related software to do work. I imagine that's true for most companies.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by [deleted] »

r00fus wrote: post #207
jeroenhd wrote: post #190

Back when Edgeium was new and just Chrome but with a lot of Google cruft removed, I actually used Edge instead of Chrome when I was on Windows. It was the same browser with some additional tweaks that I quite liked. Then Microsoft started this aggressive, disruptive push to bring it to iOS Safari's level as the only browser people should use. I don't know any good operating systems for normal people anymore. Windows…

> macOS only runs on very expensive hardware and doesn't run most programs people need (because the business world is still Windows oriented) This is an outdated take - it's functionally untrue in most business settings. Gaming on the other hand, is very much still mostly Windows only.

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Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by itsaride »

shantnutiwari wrote: post #204

For people complaining about "Evilz M$"--isnt this roughly the same strategy Chrome used? My question is: Do you see these prompts when downloading Firefox?

It adds a banner at the top of the search results :

“ There's no need to download a new web browser. Microsoft recommends using Microsoft Edge for a fast, secure, and modern web experience that can help save you time and money. Try now”

Even more bizarrely it puts Opera as the top result, at least here in the UK.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by mise_en_place »

jeroenhd wrote: post #190

Back when Edgeium was new and just Chrome but with a lot of Google cruft removed, I actually used Edge instead of Chrome when I was on Windows. It was the same browser with some additional tweaks that I quite liked. Then Microsoft started this aggressive, disruptive push to bring it to iOS Safari's level as the only browser people should use. I don't know any good operating systems for normal people anymore. Windows…

Anecdotal but I’ve never had any issue with Linux. Aside from installing Nvidia proprietary drivers when secureboot is enabled. In which case DKMS is broken so I had to enroll a new signing key in MOK and use that to sign the nvidia kernel driver.

If I need to run Windows, I will either use WINE or single GPU pass through to a Windows VM on KVM. Never needed to dual boot. Edge on Linux is great actually, I just don’t like that I can’t disable the listening on avahi ports even though I have disabled avahi. Apparently Edge uses it to mask IP when using WebRTC.

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Post by ehutch79 »

dustinmoris wrote: post #216
jeroenhd wrote: post #190

Back when Edgeium was new and just Chrome but with a lot of Google cruft removed, I actually used Edge instead of Chrome when I was on Windows. It was the same browser with some additional tweaks that I quite liked. Then Microsoft started this aggressive, disruptive push to bring it to iOS Safari's level as the only browser people should use. I don't know any good operating systems for normal people anymore. Windows…

> macOs.... doesn't run most programs people need (because the business world is still Windows oriented) This is not only not true for many years anymore, it's even got so far that it's almost the opposite now. Most successful businesses nowadays are increasingly led by tech-savvy leaders, because otherwise they wouldn't be successful anymore, and those people make their own software now increasingly better on macOS…

I doubt many companies are writing their internal apps to be macOS specific. Likely it's browser based.

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by jonny_eh »

godshatter wrote: post #278
mackal wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Gaming on the other hand, is very much still mostly Windows only. I game a lot, I haven't rebooted into Windows in well over a year. Luckily I don't really play games that require stupid DRM/anticheat (although, that is being worked on) I would probably start playing Apex Legends again if they allowed EAC Linux support. Epic added support, the devs just need to support it -.-

Steam with proton, proton glorious eggroll, vulkan, lutris, and recent changes to wine have been a godsend for gaming on linux. It's night and day now. Aside from some really old games and newer competitive games (which I don't play regardless of OS), there are very few games that I can't play well in my 200+ steam games library. I often play native games in Windows emulation mode because a lot of linux ports are ter…

> proton glorious eggroll

what?

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by ehutch79 »

mthoms wrote: post #268
dustinmoris wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> macOs.... doesn't run most programs people need (because the business world is still Windows oriented) This is not only not true for many years anymore, it's even got so far that it's almost the opposite now. Most successful businesses nowadays are increasingly led by tech-savvy leaders, because otherwise they wouldn't be successful anymore, and those people make their own software now increasingly better on macOS…

>Even Microsoft's own software ironically works MUCH better on macOS than Windows. Try Office on macOS and you'll be surprised how good it is compared to Windows That has not been my experience (though I wish it were). Excel on MacOS still feels clunky and has significant performance problems with big files - including crashes.

In my experience excel has gotten significantly better in the last 2-3 years.

Though yes, that accounting sheet that has 2 million blank rows, and some macro trying to access a file in c:\windows\system32 is likely still causing problems... (not kidding)

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by kgeist »

prepend wrote: post #122
loudtieblahblah wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i just don't see the point, from a consumer perspective, in all the major players fighting over who's version of Chromium is the most preferred. I get why the company's care - i just don't get why anyone else does. Firefox, for all it's modern faults, is the only browser that's actually different in any substantial way.

> i just don't see the point, from a consumer perspective, in all the major players fighting over who's version of Chromium is the most preferred I imagine the telemetry is extremely important. Knowing every activity done by every user is valuable to Google, or Microsoft, or whoever gets the chrome feed. Of course this is why I like brave, FireFox, safari and others as there is no similar telemetry.

Microsoft controls the OS, they already can track activity of any userland program, can't they?

Re: Microsoft’s new Windows prompts try to stop people downloading Chrome

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Post by Duralias »

tapoxi wrote: post #37
0x_rs wrote: post #30

I heard some people having a decent time with Edge in the past with some features implementations. Not that I would use it myself, but I'm firmly convinced these childish plays only ruin whatever good work was done on it. Who on Earth would continue using a browser that has such hostile behavior and dark patterns all over the place e.g., buy-now-pay-later at browser level? It's so hard to trust Microsoft anyway, I'm…

Outside of requiring a newer PC I don't think Win11 is a trainwreck at all, I was auto-upgraded to it a few weeks ago and it's been fine. Auto HDR is neat for games and there's been a UI refresh, other than that it's basically Windows 10.

While my laptop definitely got more unstable after being upgraded (might be better with a clean install), I could never put it on my actual gaming machine, because I play VR and right now it is a coin flip if VR just won't work for you at all.
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