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Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by akmittal »

square_usual wrote: post #119
akmittal wrote: post #96

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Vscode is more than suitable for big projects, Its not just for hello world projects. VSCode is best tool for TypeScript/JavaScript/Dart. For Java/C# it probably is not.

You should really try out JetBrains' TS/JS features. It's great, as good as anything VSC can give you, and if you're used to their IDEs (say, for Ruby, which is nowhere near as good on VSC) you're better off using the JB IDE.

I didn't say jetBrains IDEs are not good, I said VSC is good for most use cases

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by ksec »

zRedShift wrote: post #154
torginus wrote: post #5

I really hope it's not Electron-based.

Official response: https://blog.jetbrains.com/blog/2021/11/29/welcome-to-fleet/... It’s written in Kotlin mainly, a little bit of Rust for native parts, Skiko (Skija + AWT) The UI framework is similar to Compose, but we started when Jetpack Compose wasn’t there :)

Damn I was hoping to see some GraalVM AOT Java Magic.

I wonder if they have plan to use Kotlin Native. But dogfooding is always good.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by jatone »

wpietri wrote: post #309
jatone wrote: post #297

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no I want my IDE to be functional without destroying my system performance or fucking up my codebase. jet brains is a massive offender here. it doesn't need to be. I have a giant machine ~128GB of RAM and 24 cores. the fact I have to tune my IDE is insane. the not helpful issues with jetbrains are when it crashes, slows down my system, prevents me from modifying files because reasons, modifies my build configurations…

That's just very different than my experience. Across a number of years and a few different major languages, from coding solo to working with teams. The only tuning I have to do is to tell it that using more RAM is ok. I'm sorry you're having those problems, and if you ever want to dig in on fixing them, drop me a line. But please understand it's pretty far off the median experience.

while I appreciate the offer; there is nothing to dig into here. jetbrains just doesn't bring anything to the table compared to other options. and it lost my trust on reliability in a massive way due to android studio and never really performing well at its core function, writing software, compared to things like sublime, vscode, even vim/emacs; once configured.

and if I'm going to pay for something like an IDE it needs to be rock solid when the free competition is competent.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by squeaky-clean »

square_usual wrote: post #125
mikkelam wrote: post #99

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Why? Because I'm a second class citizen in a java IDE. No thanks. The marketing is also quite clear on the target audience https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/features/

Not really, tbh. IntelliJ Ultimate + the Ruby extension is RubyMine with a different name. Likewise with Go and JS, and I'm sure it's the same for php etc. but I can't speak for those. I've used this setup when I was testing out a bunch of languages for fun.

The plugins are not updated as quickly as the language-specific IDEs, sometimes they are several months behind on newer features. Not really a big deal if you wait a few months to update your Python version, but it's annoying if you update early.

I used to use only IntelliJ until a few years ago a Python feature I wanted was in PyCharm but not IntelliJ. I think it was related to the typing module? I can't quite remember. I've just stuck with PyCharm for python ever since.

edit: But also, I've never had any issue copying my key configs between PyCharm, Rider, IntelliJ.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by tomjen3 »

glun wrote: post #320
glun wrote: post #315

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IntelliJ has much superior code completion even for dynamic languages such as Python and Clojure. I seem to recall having tested Javascript too, but I could be misremembering there as its been a while since I didn't use use Typescript.

VS Code is actually pretty good at Typescript though, so I could be wrong about JS.

I don't think you are wrong. I used IntelliJ at my previous employeer because VS Code sucked for straight JS.

I will have to admit that VS Code remote features are straight up amazing.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by drpotato »

ac130kz wrote: post #76
f311a wrote: post #52

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Google translate from a dev vacancy: You will be surprised, but we decided to create a new IDE from scratch and put together a bold team with a proven success track in creating tools inside JB. And right now we have a prototype and a bunch of bicycles. Our program consists of several parts that communicate with each other over the network. The first part is an editor that is written in a new cross-platform UI framewo…

Now that's interesting, let's hope it's not immediate mode based and is closer to SolidJS (without Virtual DOM) than modern React, which clearly has no long-term future.

> modern React, which clearly has no long-term future

Curious, why do you think that?

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by native_samples »

technobabbler wrote: post #302
native_samples wrote: post #288

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Second rate UI? The IntelliJ UI is pretty great, it's very well optimized and has a billion features. I don't think any new IDE would look significantly different. There are only so many ways to do buttons, scroll bars, trees and editors.

I don't actually mean IntelliJ in particular, but Java having its own UI kit. Nothing looks or feels native on any platform. I've heard something about a graphical widget kit that emulates native on Java, but as far as I can tell IntelliJ (and most Java apps I've seen) don't use it. Though since you mentioned IntelliJ, I find its UI pretty hectic too, a hodgepodge of 90s-style MDI and modern tabs and split panes. Som…

I think the criticisms of layouts are fair. WRT native UI, there's SWT which was used by Jetbrain's primary competitor Eclipse, but obviously users didn't care that the widgets were native because in the end IntelliJ has a much higher market share.

This is probably because not many apps really use native widgets anymore on any platform. It's not even clear what the native UI toolkit on Windows is anymore, due to the numerous aborted attempts to replace Win32 that didn't quite take off.

The Swing widgets IntelliJ uses aren't any worse than native widgets and some are actually much better, for example, any tree view in IntelliJ supports excellent typeahead search, many text inputs are in fact full blown code editors and so on. I don't feel I'm missing anything by them not being Cocoa.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by wpietri »

jatone wrote: post #323
wpietri wrote: post #309

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That's just very different than my experience. Across a number of years and a few different major languages, from coding solo to working with teams. The only tuning I have to do is to tell it that using more RAM is ok. I'm sorry you're having those problems, and if you ever want to dig in on fixing them, drop me a line. But please understand it's pretty far off the median experience.

while I appreciate the offer; there is nothing to dig into here. jetbrains just doesn't bring anything to the table compared to other options. and it lost my trust on reliability in a massive way due to android studio and never really performing well at its core function, writing software, compared to things like sublime, vscode, even vim/emacs; once configured. and if I'm going to pay for something like an IDE it ne…

It may not bring anything to the table for you. I would find it helpful if you phrased your criticisms in a way that didn't deny the possibility that others might find plenty of value.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by manigandham »

pjmlp wrote: post #173
simion314 wrote: post #163

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They managed to sell in the past a C# plugin for Visual Studio, so people paid money on Visual Studio and this company convinced them to pay more and buy a plugin for a Microsoft language and a Microsoft IDE, people paid because it is a great product (for their projects). IMO they for sure can improve on VS Code, I bet they could sell you plugins better then MS can create and I think this is because when you are clos…

When teammates ask me why my VS setup feels so fast compared with theirs, my answer is quite simple, I don't use resharper.

That's mostly Visual Studio's problem with multithreading, process communication, and 32-bit memory size limitations.

Rider (basically Intellij with Resharper plugins) is incredibly fast and productive in comparison, and VS 2022 is finally catching up with the move to 64-bit.

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