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Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by polycaster »

Is this the beginning of JetBrains trying to reiterate what MS did with VSCode + Copilot?

After I spend a couple of weeks with Copilot I must say it works more or less as advertised (the exceptions are funny though) and there is no comparable product in sight. In the business of development tooling this is probably a feature not to miss in the long run if you prefer to stay in said business.

I realize there is Copilote integration for JetBrains IDEs as well. But it's one thing to have access to a resource. And another to have control over it.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by technobabbler »

digerata wrote: post #168
technobabbler wrote: post #98

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IntelliJ is clunky as ef, and slow as hell. It's really powerful but feels really ancient, and isn't native on anything. I hate Java. I hope this is their attempt to completely bypass the old platform and create a new product from scratch, starting with vscode parity but eventually reaching the power of IntelliJ and replacing it wholesale. I don't know if that's their actual intent, but I can hope.

You hate Java but are okay with the DOM as an editor…

What does "DOM as editor" mean? As in the HTML DOM and manipulating it directly? How is that an editor/IDE? Maybe I'm misunderstanding you.

My only experience with Java is as an user, and it's never been positive. Whether it's the applets of yore or the modern Java apps, there's always performance, memory, JRE issues and terrible, second-rate UIs. Maybe the language itself is beautiful, I wouldn't know, but the user experience is terrible.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by pjmlp »

simion314 wrote: post #163
quanticle wrote: post #14

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They could compete with VSCode, but what would be their competitive advantage? Being a pale imitation of VSCode with fewer features and tied to an online offering that has less mindshare than Github doesn't seem to me like it's a winning strategy.

They managed to sell in the past a C# plugin for Visual Studio, so people paid money on Visual Studio and this company convinced them to pay more and buy a plugin for a Microsoft language and a Microsoft IDE, people paid because it is a great product (for their projects). IMO they for sure can improve on VS Code, I bet they could sell you plugins better then MS can create and I think this is because when you are clos…

When teammates ask me why my VS setup feels so fast compared with theirs, my answer is quite simple, I don't use resharper.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by burmanm »

spoils19 wrote: post #61
creshal wrote: post #11

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Same. > For years folks have been asking us, “JetBrains, when will you create a lightweight editor?” I sure never did. If anything, I want their IDEs to be more involved and sophisticated. Otherwise I'm likely going to cancel our company subscriptions next year, VSCode is starting to overtake e.g. PyCharm in terms of developer comfort. So I really hope this is just a tech demonstrator to renew the architecture of the…

I've worked in 4 different software shops over the last 15 years. My general observation is the developers who rely on heavily automated/magic tooling are significantly outclassed by those who use the terminal + a basic text editor. Terminal + Vim or Emacs/VSCode (depending on configuration) is not only all you need, it also produces developers who understand the systems they work with. I know a lot of people will di…

And I've seen developers who use Vim/Emacs/VSCode spend more time doing the same thing the other guy using an IDE would have done earlier and continued with important stuff.

Although, if we go by your logic, wouldn't doing everything without an editor be even better? Because the indication and advice you're giving is that people using right tools that help their life are suddenly worse at doing their job.

Which is just bullshit.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by 5560675260 »

technobabbler wrote: post #172
digerata wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You hate Java but are okay with the DOM as an editor…

What does "DOM as editor" mean? As in the HTML DOM and manipulating it directly? How is that an editor/IDE? Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. My only experience with Java is as an user, and it's never been positive. Whether it's the applets of yore or the modern Java apps, there's always performance, memory, JRE issues and terrible, second-rate UIs. Maybe the language itself is beautiful, I wouldn't know, but the user…

OP refers to VSCode being built on web stack. But AFAIK there is little to none actual DOM manipulations after initial setup since everything is rendered on canvas.

Re: Fleet, a Lightweight IDE from JetBrains

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Post by mbreese »

technobabbler wrote: post #172
digerata wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You hate Java but are okay with the DOM as an editor…

What does "DOM as editor" mean? As in the HTML DOM and manipulating it directly? How is that an editor/IDE? Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. My only experience with Java is as an user, and it's never been positive. Whether it's the applets of yore or the modern Java apps, there's always performance, memory, JRE issues and terrible, second-rate UIs. Maybe the language itself is beautiful, I wouldn't know, but the user…

I believe they are referring to using vscode, which is based on Electron. Thus, instead of native code, it’s HTML based (although, not necessarily DOM based).
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