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Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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AnimalMuppet wrote: post #302
Karawebnetwork wrote: post #140

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I think many people don't care about Reddit at all and perceive these discussions as off topic and uninteresting. There are better spaces to discuss those, such as /r/SubredditDrama/. If this were a new article on the subject, it might fit. But links to Reddit threads while the drama is happening live? To me, that's gossip. Edit: Disclaimer because that's how it is on the internet, I am transgender. Yet I have never…

> There are better spaces to discuss those, such as /r/SubredditDrama/. But see, we can't discuss this there.

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Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by Karawebnetwork »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #302
Karawebnetwork wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think many people don't care about Reddit at all and perceive these discussions as off topic and uninteresting. There are better spaces to discuss those, such as /r/SubredditDrama/. If this were a new article on the subject, it might fit. But links to Reddit threads while the drama is happening live? To me, that's gossip. Edit: Disclaimer because that's how it is on the internet, I am transgender. Yet I have never…

> There are better spaces to discuss those, such as /r/SubredditDrama/. But see, we can't discuss this there.

The Reddit admins have since then issued a statement saying that the auto-moderator was set too broadly. They have since corrected the issue are are investigating the bans.

Looking at the "other conversations" tab on the linked post displays 12 active conversations. The "rules" as presented on the /r/ukpolitics were speculation by its moderators.

As I said elsewhere, it was pretty much gossip at that point. This is Reddit drama and it should stay there (or at least, until another website reports about it). Linking to live threads is just asking for confusion.

Some threads, before I log out of Reddit until the next drama:

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/mbeycw/whats_...

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/mbcls0/ongo...

https://www.reddit.com/r/ModSupport/comments/mbqgx2/a_clarif...

https://www.reddit.com/user/Blank-Cheque/comments/mbmthf/why...

https://old.reddit.com/r/DeclineIntoCensorship/comments/mbe2...

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by Causality1 »

howinteresting wrote: post #132
km3r wrote: post #124

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Too many times ration discussion critical on parts of the trans rights movement is heavily downvoted or banned. The people who otherwise support trans people, but think 'affirmation-only' approaches are the wrong way to go, are forced to forums/subs filled with people who are unapologetically transphobic. The discussion there will often lead the moderate opinions to radicalization. Of course parts of gay culture can…

> The people who otherwise support trans people, but think 'affirmation-only' approaches are the wrong way to go This is a contradiction in terms. Supporting trans people means believing that transition is not some sort of "regrettable outcome". > are forced to forums/subs filled with people who are unapologetically transphobic. The discussion there will often lead the moderate opinions to radicalization. You are the…

Affirmation-only in the form of behaving as if women and transwomen are indistinguishable is not always productive. For an example, if you write a feature telling people to watch and cheer on women speedrunners but you only include people who were successful male speedrunners before their transition you are not encouraging more women to join the hobby.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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9387367 wrote: post #256
onewhonknocks wrote: post #244

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Now at #93.

Perhaps HN should look into the weight of flagging, judging by #votes, seems like their ranking is not working or perhaps it is and they are happy this is not the top post. Quite ironical, regardless as Reddit is a YC startup, none the less Paul Graham is the ideator and the post is about paid Reddit staff silencing users. Edit: Now at 114 on the 4th page...

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Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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dencodev wrote: post #282
9387367 wrote: post #228

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This thread has more votes (454 points) than any on the front page apart from number 1 (540 points) with more comments, 205 vs 118 from the top post. As of now, it seats on the second page at #44.

It's currently flagged and not visible at all

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Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by readflaggedcomm »

Jaepa wrote: post #142
zpeti wrote: post #72

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https://retalk.com is waiting with open arms.

Alright lets go through the Reddit Alternative checklist. [x] Link to David Duke's article and positive discussion of it. [x] Bonus points for whites are the real victim of displacing native Americans narrative. [x] Multiple posts about pissing off the lefties. [x] Weird anti Bill Gates articles [x] Multiple GatewayPundit articles on the front page. [x] Calls for Trump social media. [x] Random LockdownSceptics.org AM…

Thanks for talking it up, wouldn't have noticed the link otherwise.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by dang »

phpnode wrote: post #22

HN is also penalising threads that discuss this. This post has 74 upvotes in 27 minutes and 11 comments at time of writing. Ordinarily it would significantly outrank most of the other posts on the front page, but it doesn't seem to be able to break past #15. Either this is because HN users are flagging it, or because something else is going on. As Reddit is a YC company it'd be really nice to hear an explanation. Thi…

Users are flagging them. The only thing moderators have done is decline to turn off the flags. We turn off flags sometimes when (a) the article contains significant new information (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...) and (b) it can support a substantive HN discussion. Neither of those seems true here so I don't think it's a hard call.

There have been countless threads on the generic topic here (free speech online, let's call it) and the details of this particular story seem very specific to Reddit drama, indeed (not that I've looked closely) to some specific subreddit. If so, that's neither an interesting new phenomenon nor gratifying of intellectual curiosity (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html), so it's not on topic for HN and users have been right to flag these.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by fsckboy »

outworlder wrote: post #84
eplanit wrote: post #11

Not dystopian sounding at all: Please do not name this individual, at all. Doing so may result in your account being banned by the admins. Please do not ask further questions about this, as doing so may result in your account being banned by the admins. Please do not discuss this incident on Reddit publicly or privately (e.g. on private subreddits and/or in private messages, chat etc.), as doing so may result in your…

> or in private messages We do know that there's nothing 'private' about any social media platforms, but some people still believe that to be the case. Now they are blatantly publicizing that private chats are being read. Anyone remembers the outrage when gmail was analyzing emails to provide ads? What happened to that?

> Now they are blatantly publicizing that private chats are being read.

no, they aren't: banning the item from private messages doesn't mean that they are enforcing it by reading private messages. It could mean, for instance, that if somebody complains about you including the item in a private message, you would be in contravention of the rules.

also, a robot daemon scanning private messages for the text string would not mean that your private messages were being read in any meaningful way.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by phpnode »

dang wrote: post #327
phpnode wrote: post #22

HN is also penalising threads that discuss this. This post has 74 upvotes in 27 minutes and 11 comments at time of writing. Ordinarily it would significantly outrank most of the other posts on the front page, but it doesn't seem to be able to break past #15. Either this is because HN users are flagging it, or because something else is going on. As Reddit is a YC company it'd be really nice to hear an explanation. Thi…

Users are flagging them. The only thing moderators have done is decline to turn off the flags. We turn off flags sometimes when (a) the article contains significant new information ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so... ) and (b) it can support a substantive HN discussion. Neither of those seems true here so I don't think it's a hard call. There have been countless threads on the generic to…

if there's an interesting conversation to be had it's about governance and transparency in how online spaces are moderated, given the depth of their influence, the broadness of their reach and the relative power wielded by those who control the platform (hello there!). Unfortunately that conversation is mostly absent from these threads.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by [deleted] »

axguscbklp wrote: post #203
mercurysmessage wrote: post #70

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Is it fair to criticize people for being gay too? I just don't see the points of these arguments. Thought people on this site "loved discussion". Nope. They love hearing their own opinions, and attacking and downvoting anything that is not conservative. I'm out.

Gay people don't try to force me to call them something that I don't think they are. Some trans people do. Gay people just want me to not insult them. There is a subset of trans people who think that anyone who deviates even slightly from seeing them as their chosen gender, no matter how politely, is insulting them. They bully people online. I'm not some sexual bigot. I'm a man and I've experimented with homosexual a…

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