Live data from Hacker News

Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

old.reddit.com

121–130 of 415 posts

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

#121
I am completely lost here. I feel like a Boomer on Snapchat.

Can someone please give a 5 sentence tl;dr of (a) who this person is, (b) what the original controversy was about, and (c) why the Reddit admins care so much?

This is one of those stories that keeps popping up in front of me but I really do not have the will nor the time to engage with it, so I'd really appreciate a concise and unbiased summary if anyone can offer it.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

#123
post #41

I don't get it - why are people angry with her over her father's actions?

So the gist of it is that when she was running for election, she hired her father as an election agent while he was being investigated for his crimes, and also she lived in the house he performed his crimes in at the same time. I think that this is worthy of criticism, but the problem here is that the few journalistic pieces that investigate this also push a strong anti-trans theme while also criticizing her at the s…

> So the gist of it is that when she was running for election, she hired her father as an election agent while he was being investigated for his crimes, and also she lived in the house he performed his crimes in at the same time.

That's where it started, but it seems to have intensified (based on my brief research, I think I've come across some of the earlier stories about Knight/Challenor previously, but it's not too of the mind stuff) because her current spouse is apparently an open (not active, at least openly) pedophile who has publicly posted about (among other things) fantasizing about children being forcibly kidnapped, tortured, and raped.

This, combined with the issues that arose around how much she may have been aware of, involved in, or defensive of her father's crimes would probably bring a firestorm of negative attention to her if she wasn't trans, and the fact that it's natural fit with the anti-LGBTQ propaganda angle that everything that deviates from pure cisgender heterosexuality is barely a step removed from bestiality, child rape, and the general collapse of society makes it the perfect magnet for the absolute worst that the culture wars have to offer.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

#124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Political/social criticism should not be mislabeled as "hate". Trans-related issues are extremely complex no matter what anyone's personal POV might be, and keeping a critical attitude is entirely legitimate.

Is it fair to criticize people for being gay too? I just don't see the points of these arguments. Thought people on this site "loved discussion". Nope. They love hearing their own opinions, and attacking and downvoting anything that is not conservative. I'm out.

Too many times ration discussion critical on parts of the trans rights movement is heavily downvoted or banned. The people who otherwise support trans people, but think 'affirmation-only' approaches are the wrong way to go, are forced to forums/subs filled with people who are unapologetically transphobic. The discussion there will often lead the moderate opinions to radicalization.

Of course parts of gay culture can be critized. Older man preying on barely legal teens, drug use, and open relationships are all controversial things that the gay community grapples with. Sure I can get behind not giving a platform to people who think gays should be stoned or trans people don't exist, but the moderates shouldn't be lumped in with them.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

#125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Political/social criticism should not be mislabeled as "hate". Trans-related issues are extremely complex no matter what anyone's personal POV might be, and keeping a critical attitude is entirely legitimate.

Is it fair to criticize people for being gay too? I just don't see the points of these arguments. Thought people on this site "loved discussion". Nope. They love hearing their own opinions, and attacking and downvoting anything that is not conservative. I'm out.

"Criticize" is a broad word. The modern concept of trans-ness only exists in the first place because people felt free to think about and question the conventional wisdom in gender politics. (One prominent example of this dynamic is Marsha P. Johnson, who's usually considered a trans woman today, even though she never used the term "transgender" herself and often identified as gay.)

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

#126

I don't get it - why are people angry with her over her father's actions?

She is not at fault for her fathers actions, but when she continues to surround herself with such people, including her husband, this may indicate a bad pattern of behavior

Or something deep in her psychology, e.g. she was raised by a pedophile and surely there were some dysfunctional family dynamics... That will color your entire life.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

#127
post #93

Despite all the vitriol, I have a degree of sympathy for the Reddit admin in question. I can't imagine how distressing it must be to be turned into a worldwide hate figure overnight; that has to be extremely psychologically damaging. Among the mob will be genuinely hateful and equally vile people who'll probably send a tsunami of death threats. Reddit is in a bit of a difficult place; perhaps because of the legal dut…

Maybe don't hire a known child rapist/torturer if you don't want to be hated.

> Maybe don't hire a known child rapist/torturer if you don't want to be hated.

To manage her political campaign, that's the important part. Being a candidate for a public office _is_ justified reason for discussing a person's employees/employers/companies/taxes/PRs/whatever.

I had no frakking idea on who she was until this, anyway.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

#129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Political/social criticism should not be mislabeled as "hate". Trans-related issues are extremely complex no matter what anyone's personal POV might be, and keeping a critical attitude is entirely legitimate.

Is it fair to criticize people for being gay too? I just don't see the points of these arguments. Thought people on this site "loved discussion". Nope. They love hearing their own opinions, and attacking and downvoting anything that is not conservative. I'm out.

You might have been downvoted for conflating gay and trans concerns as though they are the same. From what I've observed there are genuine conflicts between those communities and discussion is necessary to resolve them - it's not automatically "criticism".

For example quite a few of the "gender critical" people being referred to here are actually lesbians, and they've been accused of hate or transphobia because they loudly refuse to adjust their sexual preferences to include males who identify as women. It's impossible to satisfy both gay and trans people on this specific topic.

Post reply on HN