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Native speaker of Castillian Spanish here. IMO the most critical sentence in this judicial order was mistranslated by GitHub, changing our understanding of the government's request and casting GitHub's response in a more negative light (if you believe information and communication tools should be free.) The original language in the last paragraph is "...para solicitar la retención del contenido y los datos relacionad…
So retener is like retention?
Native speaker of Castillian Spanish here. IMO the most critical sentence in this judicial order was mistranslated by GitHub, changing our understanding of the government's request and casting GitHub's response in a more negative light (if you believe information and communication tools should be free.) The original language in the last paragraph is "...para solicitar la retención del contenido y los datos relacionad…
So retener is like retention?
Github will not be shutdown over any action they do or do not take in Spain. The worst that can happen to Github is that they are prevented from doing business in Spain. Given how strongly Spain has come down against freedom of expression on the Catalonia issue, Github is making it very clear by taking this action that freedom of expression is not one of their values. Let me repeat, Spain has come down hard enough ag…
> This will definitely affect whether I choose Github or Microsoft in the future. I see you've linked your Github in your profile. Why not put your money where your mouth is and delete your Github account now?
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What mechanism could a Spanish court use to shut down an American multi-billion dollar company? At worst, it could get GitHub blocked in Spain, or a local Microsoft office might get a stern look or two before Spain renews its Office 365 contract or whatever.
A spanish court could order spanish ISPs to block GitHub until they obey their order. They could also charge spanish Microsoft executives with disobedience, contempt or something similar.
https://twitter.com/armadillu/status/1186315453108555778?s=2...
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We have a constitution that was voted in referendum in 1978. Most people in Catalonia voted in favor of these constitution, and Catalan parties have been an essential part of the governments we have had since then. Moreover, not even half of people in Catalonia (more or less) want independence.
>Moreover, not even half of people in Catalonia (more or less) want independence. The results of the elections and the independence referendum strongly disagree. >Most people in Catalonia (1978) voted in favor of these constitution, Unlike those that voted the Estatut d'Autonomia (see below), many of these people are dead. There was no alternative to this constitution as it happened in a very unstable climate after t…
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A spanish court could order spanish ISPs to block GitHub until they obey their order. They could also charge spanish Microsoft executives with disobedience, contempt or something similar.
> They could also charge spanish Microsoft executives with disobedience, contempt or something similar. Unlikely, as the local executives likely didn't make this decision and don't have control over it. Guilt by association (employer) is not legal, even in Spain.
https://www.theverge.com/2012/9/26/3413476/google-brazil-you...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/facebook-executive-arrested-in-...
I wouldn't rule it out regardless of the country involved.
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That's all fine and dandy, but it presumes the participating states actually want to be part of the union. Otherwise it's tyranny in my humble opinion.
We have a constitution that was voted in referendum in 1978. Most people in Catalonia voted in favor of these constitution, and Catalan parties have been an essential part of the governments we have had since then. Moreover, not even half of people in Catalonia (more or less) want independence.
It's clear that Microsoft Spain must comply with Spanish government orders. That's just reality. It's also clear that using GitHub for Tsunami Democràtic was a poor choice. Because GitHub is obviously vulnerable to such takedowns. Self hosting on a more or less "bulletproof" server would have made far more sense. If I were doing it, I'd probably use a Tor onion server, with clearnet gateways via disposable VPS, using…
It created publicity for the movement.
Whats embarassing here is that Spain now joins the likes of China and Russia regardless of whom in the government sent the request , at least in the context of government takedowns. https://github.com/github/gov-takedowns/ This is quite shameful.
Github will not be shutdown over any action they do or do not take in Spain. The worst that can happen to Github is that they are prevented from doing business in Spain. Given how strongly Spain has come down against freedom of expression on the Catalonia issue, Github is making it very clear by taking this action that freedom of expression is not one of their values. Let me repeat, Spain has come down hard enough ag…
What a tremendously uneducated comment. Freedom of expression has not being limited in Spain in any way or form, not at all. The apk was removed because a judge (not politics, not the police) confirmed that the app was used to organize violent manifestations. And GitHub had to legally comply with the warrant. No action is being taken to stop manifestations, only to stop the organization of violence. In case you want…
2. The fact that a judge was the one who ordered the limiting of freedom does not make it any less limiting.
3. Censoring an entire platform because it was used for evil purposes (I haven't personally confirmed that this is the case) is easily within the definition of limiting freedom of expression.