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Spanish government orders GitHub to take down Tsunami Democràtic repository

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Re: Spanish government orders GitHub to take down Tsunami Democràtic repository

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Post by jannes »

demarq wrote: post #8

A) A little late now, since as is stated in the letter people are already mirroring the repo B) can the app really be spreading that fast, if people are having to download it from github, and override their devices security settings to install it? Also the words "serious public disorder" send chills down my spine for some reason. It sounds like it's right out of some dystopian movie.

> Also the words "serious public disorder" send chills down my spine for some reason.

It's unclear who translated the letter. It may have been a github employee.

In the original it says "graves desórdenes públicos" which could also be translated as "grave public disturbances". The word "desorden" definitely doesn't have a medical connotation as "disorder" has in English.

Re: Spanish government orders GitHub to take down Tsunami Democràtic repository

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Post by pmarin »

The title is intentionally misleading. It's not the government but the judicial authorities, in Spain we have distribution of power.

From the take down notice:

> In Spain, judicial authorities are responsible for the supervision and control of websites in order to prevent the dissemination of criminal content as it is specified in the article 35 of our Law 34/2002 and the article 13 of our Criminal Procedure Code.

Re: Spanish government orders GitHub to take down Tsunami Democràtic repository

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Post by ricardbejarano »

oarsinsync wrote: post #9

Looks like the app repo is at https://github.com/s3rrallonga/tsunami It appears to still be online from UK, dunno about ES

Repositories are hosted on GitHub, and unless GitHub explicitly blocked those with Spanish source IP addresses, there's no way a Spanish ISP can block us access to a repo unless they block GitHub altogether.

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Post by giancarlostoro »

Whats embarassing here is that Spain now joins the likes of China and Russia regardless of whom in the government sent the request, at least in the context of government takedowns.

https://github.com/github/gov-takedowns/

This is quite shameful.

Re: Spanish government orders GitHub to take down Tsunami Democràtic repository

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Post by ricardbejarano »

justinclift wrote: post #3

Not 100% sure of the repo name, as it's not displayed in the document. At a guess this is the one, and it still seems to be on GitHub: https://github.com/tsunamidemocratic/tsunamidemocratic.githu... The GitHub pages hosted website still seems to be online too: https://tsunamidemocratic.github.io Perhaps GitHub is publishing the request, but isn't complying with the takedown?

The website redirects to http://82.223.97.47/ (site was taken down by the judicial authority) if you connect from Spain.

Re: Spanish government orders GitHub to take down Tsunami Democràtic repository

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Post by enriquto »

philipwhiuk wrote: post #7
justinclift wrote: post #3

Not 100% sure of the repo name, as it's not displayed in the document. At a guess this is the one, and it still seems to be on GitHub: https://github.com/tsunamidemocratic/tsunamidemocratic.githu... The GitHub pages hosted website still seems to be online too: https://tsunamidemocratic.github.io Perhaps GitHub is publishing the request, but isn't complying with the takedown?

Anyone in Spain got any context on TD and the current political context?

There's a massive ongoing police operation to suppress the catalan independence movement. The spanish paramilitary is trying to take down the source code of an app that people use to coordinate peaceful demonstrations. They say that this is to "fight terrorism" which is ridiculous, albeit there are already several people preemptively incarcerated, falsely accused of terrorism (still waiting for a trial).

Re: Spanish government orders GitHub to take down Tsunami Democràtic repository

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Post by oarsinsync »

ricardbejarano wrote: post #13
oarsinsync wrote: post #9

Looks like the app repo is at https://github.com/s3rrallonga/tsunami It appears to still be online from UK, dunno about ES

Repositories are hosted on GitHub, and unless GitHub explicitly blocked those with Spanish source IP addresses, there's no way a Spanish ISP can block us access to a repo unless they block GitHub altogether.

Correct. Github was issued with a takedown notice in this instance. Checkout their readme[0] where it states:

> When we receive a notice from an official government agency that identifies illegal content and specifies the source of the illegality, we ... limit the geographic scope of the takedown when possible and include that as part of the notification

[0] https://github.com/github/gov-takedowns/blob/master/README.m...

Re: Spanish government orders GitHub to take down Tsunami Democràtic repository

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Post by Nasrudith »

pmarin wrote: post #12

The title is intentionally misleading. It's not the government but the judicial authorities, in Spain we have distribution of power. From the take down notice: > In Spain, judicial authorities are responsible for the supervision and control of websites in order to prevent the dissemination of criminal content as it is specified in the article 35 of our Law 34/2002 and the article 13 of our Criminal Procedure Code.

I am not sure if the terminology is used differently in Spain (pre-translation of course) but that would be parsed as government by the US standards even with separation of power given the citation of specific laws by said government.

Granted here it is used as the omnibus term as opposed to its own division.

Re: Spanish government orders GitHub to take down Tsunami Democràtic repository

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Post by ricardbejarano »

philipwhiuk wrote: post #5
justinclift wrote: post #3

Not 100% sure of the repo name, as it's not displayed in the document. At a guess this is the one, and it still seems to be on GitHub: https://github.com/tsunamidemocratic/tsunamidemocratic.githu... The GitHub pages hosted website still seems to be online too: https://tsunamidemocratic.github.io Perhaps GitHub is publishing the request, but isn't complying with the takedown?

They've taken down the app repo, but left the website repo I think.

Yes, but the website redirects to http://82.223.97.47/, a "site was taken down by the judicial authority" site, if you are connecting to tsunamidemocratic.github.io from Spain.
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