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Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by SassyGrapefruit »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #7

There’s no great solution to this apart from the economy and company doing well so that this doesnt happen. I’ll lay out the reasons below: 1. Let’s say we pass a law that prevents offers from being revoked. This will make hiring much harder and increase 5 rounds to like 10 and involve many more committees and even then most candidates other than sureshots getting rejected. 2. Ban revoking offers only for overseas em…

The issue is these businesses are hiring without strategy, consideration to risk, or proper forecasting. There should never be a situation within a fortune 100 business where the forecasting is so poor that offers are rescinded. I began making household budget accommodations for the macro economic situation in the first half of 2022. What was google doing at this point? How does a business spend $20-30K on the search process, send out an offer, then all the sudden realize they don't want to hire that person? What cascade of management failures is required for that to even be a possibility? How is it that these businesses don't consider the human cost of these decisions?

This sort of action is unprofessional, questionably moral, and unforgivable. I think the FANG companies were/are overrated. Why would you want to work for a business displaying this level of incompetence?

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Post by dilyevsky »

miniwark wrote: post #250

The "business reasons" by Google are probably completely fake, but we have some pointers from OP who give us the real reason : - OP is russian - OP was working at Yandex (who had an history of "strange" relationships with the russian government) - in December 2022 Vladimir Poutine take over the russian subsidiaries of Yandex (through Alexeï Koudrine) -> more "strange" relationships - OP received an official offer in…

lets just say you got a few things a little wrong there

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Post by curiousgal »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #95
blcknight wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Having an offer rescinded for 'business reasons' is unbelievably annoying, and the author has my sympathy. That said, it's kind of understandable too. Things happen. It's not understandable, Google is doing financially fine. If they determine they made a mistake they should have to pay a penalty. You would not get that grace in your own personal life, I don't know why we grant it to companies in employment contract…

The candidate can also accept the offer and then take a job somewhere else without penalty, so it is at least symmetric.

Sometimes I do wish HN were Reddit so I can snap at people who genuinely believe such things. Equating the damage of a rescinded offer to an employee who packed their life into two suitcases and to a multi billion company is outright delusional.

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Post by [deleted] »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #280
dopidopHN wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All the contract I signed in the US ( 5 or 6 ) were « at will » Basically a 1 pager stating the total lack of contract between you and the company. And your salary.

I think that's typical in the US. Makes me wonder why even bother calling it a "contract".

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Post by fsociety »

tyingq wrote: post #17

I've heard several stories about companies rescinding offers in a timeframe where it's obvious the candidate would have already made irreversible decisions. Funny thing is that the same HR people will tell their own stories about candidates backing out with huge eyerolls, distain, etc. I suppose the more common it becomes, the less the "offer" process will mean in practice. Candidates will hedge their bets. Edit: If…

I will out myself to some folks, and hope they keep me pseudo-anonymous :). I rescinded my Google offer to take another which had a more personally meaningful role and paid significantly higher (I think 50% higher?).

Google then put me on a call with a "senior" recruiter who said they'd beat the offer no question, which would have had me start at N level but be paid at the upper end of N+1 level. I refused.

Then they proceeded to tell me how my interview scores were barely passable. How my work will be meaningless at this other FAANG. Meanwhile the actual recruiter I worked with was on the call and stated disappointment but was respectful.

Now to this day, every year or so, a Google recruiter reaches out to me asking me to consider a role because my interview performance was so great.

So I follow the line of, if an employer gives me respect I will give it back 2x. If they disrespect me or violate a personal boundary, then I prioritize myself. This has resulted in many employers who love me, and a few who I imagine despise me. I recommend others do the same. I arrived here after many years of therapy and consequently find work more enjoyable.

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Post by actionablefiber »

ghaff wrote: post #145
bbarn wrote: post #106

Advice about what to do after you've already done something else isn't very useful, but when my wife and I moved internationally for her new job, we made sure to have it be a slow process. First she went, rented a short term apartment, while I moved all of our belongings into a storage facility, then once she felt good about the position she found us a nicer more permanent home, then I sold our home in the US, the ca…

This is far more sensible advice than all the "there ought to be a law" (in which jurisdiction?) comments on this thread and probably also more realistic than trying to figure out how to protect yourself 100% against any eventuality. Even without moving internationally, managers change, executives decide to cancel projects or cut back headcount, etc. Sure, that can happen a year down the road too. But if something is…

I mean, the advice is "use a giant pile of money to set up and maintain a dual-home situation until you are satisfied that the job will pan out."

Laws are supposed to protect people who don't have the resources to proactively hedge against stuff like this.

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Post by smsm42 »

moralestapia wrote: post #266
bojo wrote: post #48

I've had a similar story happen in the past. I was living in Japan looking for remote jobs and came across Couchbase. Interviewed well with the team who all seemed excited to get someone with my experience on board, however, the hiring manager said he wasn't sure he wanted to manage someone in my timezone. He pulled me into a separate call at the end of the rounds and asked some weird questions, which in hindsight we…

After 15+ years on the industry and being on all sides of the table (hiring, firing, being hired, being fired, interviewing, prospecting candidates, etc...) I haven't found a situation where HR makes things better . What's the point of HR? Can't we do without them? Really. Edit: This tweet[0] which is pretty much a rant in disguise has a point. What if AI has a much better success rate on this? Recruiters are clueles…

Oh God, please no. Not enough getting tons of recruiter spam, now I'd also get robots pestering me about considering an exciting opportunity in a new exciting startup about which they'd surely be glad to tell me if only I respond to their spam. And this would happen anytime I'd write something online that is tangentially related to some keyword they gave to the robot. Because if I asked a question about some Scala library, and your company uses Scala too, this means I'm a perfect match for you and surely would want to drop everything and come to work for you. Or at least it doesn't cost anything for a robot to try?

And the worst of all, if anything goes wrong - "sorry, our AI hiring system had a bug, we deployed an update. We apologize for the inconvenience".

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Post by stewx »

zinclozenge wrote: post #139
jmye wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I suppose the more common it becomes, the less the "offer" process will mean in practice. Candidates will hedge their bets. My partner was shocked I was still interviewing after accepting an offer - this kind of story is generally why. Sucks for the hiring managers, I guess, but I care more about my mortgage/income/whatever than their time.

I will one up you, I don't put in notice until I'm 1-2 weeks into my new job. Don't really have any justification except for paranoia, which is only getting more validated from other anecdotes in this thread.

Meaning you just stop showing up to job A?

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Post by saagarjha »

smsm42 wrote: post #293

Google surely pays well, and it must be that working there is a pleasure beyond understanding of a mere mortal, because I really am not seeing how waiting for 10 months to just to get an offer is otherwise making any sense. Unless you're independently rich, you'd have to work in the meantime. So, if you're not currently employed, considering Google as your next option is impossible - you need to apply for another job…

You have a steady secure job and they give you an offer months from now that makes you want to leave.

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Post by ido »

phpisthebest wrote: post #278
93po wrote: post #214

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Also jobs often/usually fire people with 0 day notice and no severance. I don't know why it's an expectation that employees would give notice without any reciprocation.

>>Also jobs often/usually fire people with 0 day notice and no severance. That is not typical nor the norm. Most companies have established PiP policies, and severance even in the cases of "for cause" terminations (though that is rarer) "Fire with 0 day notice and no severance" is more likely to be found at startups, and/or small owner led companies with no real policies, or HR Depts.

Don't know what the law is like in most states in the US but in the EU if the employee has been with the company for longer than 6 months it wouldn't even be legal to fire with 0 notice & no severance - generally companies wants you out asap but continue paying your salary for the minimums require by law. In my experience at least 2 weeks and more commonly 1+ months (I've seen people get 3 months, that have worked at the company for several years).

This of course doesn't apply if the employee did something like outright breaking the law or the terms of their contract (rare).

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