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I worked at Google for -10 days

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Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by marcosdumay »

haspok wrote: post #143
no-2-wk-notice wrote: post #23

This is why I suggest not giving two weeks notice when leaving a job for another. Instead send a resignation email the morning you start at the new company. This seems fair and reasonable given that companies are willing to pull offers.

I'm not sure which part of the world you are in, but for example in Europe it is common to have 1 month as a minimum notice period, and not uncommon to have 3 or even 6 months (this latter usually if you stay at a company for a long time). It is also common in certain countries to either get a "reference" letter from previous employers or provide a reference about a person in email or on the phone - going back to 3 o…

> Maybe if you are 18 you can stop working on a Friday in country A, travel with a suitcase over the weekend and start working on Monday in country B, but as you get older, the number of people and stuff attached to you just grows...

Hum... If you are on the middle of your life, with all of the responsibilities of the world, this becomes more important, not less.

Get your suitcase and move there, then slowly detach your responsibilities from your previous city. Doing it beforehand just adds a lot of time when everything will break.

Yes, it's hard. The other way around is hard too, and way more risky.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by mihaaly »

bojo wrote: post #48

I've had a similar story happen in the past. I was living in Japan looking for remote jobs and came across Couchbase. Interviewed well with the team who all seemed excited to get someone with my experience on board, however, the hiring manager said he wasn't sure he wanted to manage someone in my timezone. He pulled me into a separate call at the end of the rounds and asked some weird questions, which in hindsight we…

It was very dishonest and ignorant of them, I will remember them for that! And spread how they f around people.

Apparently my strategy of not to handing in notice before a contract is discussed and executed (signed) is not a bad move. I make this clear normally when I start discussing details of employment. I usually tell "I can start x weeks after my contract is signed", where x is the noice period in the previous place. It is not a guarantee as one can be sent away still after (or even before) start, but gives a clearer picture for both parties on each other's current intent.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by varispeed »

xnorswap wrote: post #187
cleansy wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never had to deal with multinationals - not much of a corporate guy. I was reading through the comments here and it seemed to be common that "well, there's nothing you can do". Actually, there is, write it in your contract and see what comes back. If your new employer does not allow for this, at least a) you tried and b) you are fully aware of the risk that the employer might just leave you out cold. In which case,…

I've also not worked for mega-corps, but I've also had good experience with writing things into contracts and having them agreed to. I find it odd that people are fine with contract negotiation when it comes to remuneration but treat actual contract clauses like holy text that can't be changed. There's even a good chance that what you think is "unchanging boilerplate" is boilerplate that gets updated all the time and…

This. Even big multinational corporations can change the contract to your liking, but that involves sending it to their legal team and waiting.

Last time I requested a change in the contract it took them almost one month to approve.

So if they need to hire someone asap, then it may not work, but on the other hand that is a red flag.

It's of course easier in smaller companies, where there is not many people in the chain that need to look over the paperwork.

I think many people fear that if they start "making problems" they won't get hired, because next candidate may not be too fussy. But I think that is a wrong way to look at it. If you don't stand for yourself, you are unlikely going to stand for other things, seemingly less important and employer may see this as a bad trait. Like imagine a task is being proposed and from your own experience you know it is not going to work, but everyone agrees it should be done. You could keep quiet and hope you'll not be the one to do it or you can start "making problems". Which worker would be more preferred?

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by makingstuffs »

mattw2121 wrote: post #110
bojo wrote: post #48

I've had a similar story happen in the past. I was living in Japan looking for remote jobs and came across Couchbase. Interviewed well with the team who all seemed excited to get someone with my experience on board, however, the hiring manager said he wasn't sure he wanted to manage someone in my timezone. He pulled me into a separate call at the end of the rounds and asked some weird questions, which in hindsight we…

Never put in notice until background checks and all on boarding paperwork is 100% complete. Putting in notice on an offer letter is premature and, unfortunately, leads to bad results.

100% this. Never hand in your notice until you have a contract in your hand. No contract means you’re relying on hopium.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by irrational »

AlwaysRock wrote: post #203
yebyen wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How's that supposed to work, when the process dictates that onboarding begins on your start date? If only we could give -10 days notice.

Then you give -10 days notice. 2 weeks is a nicety and not legally required in the USA. Probably not required in many other places as well. It's unfortunate but I've never had a manager get too upset about it.

At my company, there is no 2 weeks. The day you give your two weeks notice is your last day. We might pay you for those two weeks, depending on circumstances, but your building and network access is cut off within the hour. So, I personally would not give my notice until the day I actually want to be my last day.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by irrational »

occamrazor wrote: post #230
AlwaysRock wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you give -10 days notice. 2 weeks is a nicety and not legally required in the USA. Probably not required in many other places as well. It's unfortunate but I've never had a manager get too upset about it.

In many places the notice period is enforceable, with a standard period of three to six months for senior positions.

What places?

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by d1str0 »

occamrazor wrote: post #230
AlwaysRock wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you give -10 days notice. 2 weeks is a nicety and not legally required in the USA. Probably not required in many other places as well. It's unfortunate but I've never had a manager get too upset about it.

In many places the notice period is enforceable, with a standard period of three to six months for senior positions.

Many, but definitely not all. And Google and other big tech companies usually have “at-will” employment on both sides. Just know that it very well might be an option for you.

Re: I worked at Google for -10 days

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Post by miniwark »

The "business reasons" by Google are probably completely fake, but we have some pointers from OP who give us the real reason :

- OP is russian

- OP was working at Yandex (who had an history of "strange" relationships with the russian government)

- in December 2022 Vladimir Poutine take over the russian subsidiaries of Yandex (through Alexeï Koudrine) -> more "strange" relationships

- OP received an official offer in December 2022

- Russia invade Ukraine in february 2023

- OP was terminated by Google in the following days in march

I am not Google, but i also would have avoided to hire a russian, just after the start of the war. I bet than all russian potential hire had been terminated the same way during the same period.

Too much red flags to take the risk to hire a potential FSB agent.

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