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Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Re: Hyundai promises to keep buttons in cars

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Post by smaudet »

rytis wrote: post #254
rippercushions wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I almost didn't buy a Tesla because of my concerns over the lack of controls, but turns out that while driving, it's rarely if ever necessary to touch the screen, because there's voice commands for everything (navigate to X, climate control off, etc). Plus often you don't need to do anything at all: the lights switch on automatically if it's dark, the windshield wipers activate automatically if there's moisture, etc.…

> voice commands for everything how do they work in small spaces when there's active noise around (small children screaming for example)?

They probably don't - it's what you get when a sociopath designs cars and doesn't think of anyone but himself.

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Post by smaudet »

zxexz wrote: post #143
cdepman wrote: post #126

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It was doing its best on automatic but the wipers were sporadic at best. This was a major winter storm and visibility was awful …the model 3 had no idea where the lane lines were and apparently no idea how bad the precipitation was.

I think I’m just going to keep buying and driving 15 year old cars until the new cars are an order of magnitude better. I can buy 10 half decent 15 year old cars for the price of new Tesla! (15 years old is the magic number in MA where the car no longer has to pass emissions checks during inspection)

Plus, you can probably fix them yourself! None of this "hack it yourself and void the warranty, or pay a goon to hookup a computer to your car to 'fix' it."

I wonder how long it will take for people to start selling jailbroken cars...

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Post by LLcolD »

gffrd wrote: post #201
tastysandwich wrote: post #154

When researching family cars recently, I literally avoided the Honda CR-V just because the AC was controlled via the touch screen. There's a "Climate" button, which brings up a screen on the display where you can turn the aircon on/off, up/down, etc. It's just horrendous. Give me my dials. My worst gripe - which all modern cars have - is the aggressive bluetooth auto-connect. If my wife takes the car, it will automat…

The other day, I was taking a call on my iPhone, over the earpiece, in my office suite's lobby. The connection was rock solid, and then out of nowhere the audio just disappeared, without warning … but the call didn't drop. A few seconds later it returned. The person on the other end said they heard what sounded like a child for a second. I was perplexed. Fast forward a week, and this happens again. I look at the call…

Is this due to car or iPhone option?

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Post by seszett »

Toutouxc wrote: post #284
kristopolous wrote: post #219

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I really want an option like this Enable [ X ] Audio [ ] Phone Calls Because I never, not one single time, wanted a phone call to blast over my car audio. Not once. I can't be the only one that has wanted the car to be a speakerphone exactly 0 times. Heck maybe someone is the opposite. They love terrestrial radio or their CD collection and also the speakerphone feature. Give people options.

I don't think my iPhone has this, but my 2018 Škoda has this. There are exactly these two checkboxes, they say something like "phone" and "audio" and they do exactly that. And this isn't even when pairing, you can bring up the menu anytime and just enable or disable each functionality. I usually drive, so we connect my girlfriend's phone to "audio" so she can be the DJ while I leave my phone connected to "phone" so I…

Also the case on my 2014 Citroën.

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Post by speedgoose »

8n4vidtmkvmk wrote: post #289
speedgoose wrote: post #243

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You better not drive one because you may be surprised.

Surprised good or surprised bad? It's probably fun to drive but the screen I'm not interested in.

The screen is surprisingly good. I feel like a lot of the comments there are a bit like when smartphones changed from buttons blackberry style to touchscreens iPhone style. For sure buttons are better for some use cases but a touchscreen is nice too. It’s okay that you have to press the touchscreen to configure the automatic AC. It’s not something you do often anyway. However you may use the navigation or the media player more often. The model 3/y also has nice buttons on the wheel anyway, not some cheap touch buttons. With the exception of the wipers speed selector. They fucked up on this.

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Post by peepee1982 »

kristopolous wrote: post #219
gffrd wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other day, I was taking a call on my iPhone, over the earpiece, in my office suite's lobby. The connection was rock solid, and then out of nowhere the audio just disappeared, without warning … but the call didn't drop. A few seconds later it returned. The person on the other end said they heard what sounded like a child for a second. I was perplexed. Fast forward a week, and this happens again. I look at the call…

I really want an option like this Enable [ X ] Audio [ ] Phone Calls Because I never, not one single time, wanted a phone call to blast over my car audio. Not once. I can't be the only one that has wanted the car to be a speakerphone exactly 0 times. Heck maybe someone is the opposite. They love terrestrial radio or their CD collection and also the speakerphone feature. Give people options.

I drove a rental BMW a few weeks ago, and I think it had exactly this setting. Don't know if it does what you mention here.

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Post by illiarian »

Unklejoe wrote: post #165
tiedieconderoga wrote: post #156

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Core functions like HVAC and hazard lights deserve dedicated controls, but modern cars also need a type of input that can be used with a tablet-sized display. What to do? *Rotary Encoders* The best type of input for a car is a rotary encoder, a knob with tactile "clicks" that register as you turn it. Good ones can also be pressed down like a button, and moved in cardinal directions like a d-pad. Have one for your vol…

BMW uses a rotary encoder for their iDrive thing. I have it in my 2011 3 series. People trash talk it, but I actually like it.

I hated it because the software was shit. I only used it in rentals, so additional shenanigans were probably going on, but what I remember:

- on home screen icons for functionality would never stay in the same place. They were shuffled based on "recency"

- in some menus you could only scroll to the very top and to the very bottom, in others the scrolling would wrap around

- in some menus you went further down by shifting the knob right, in some by clicking

And other minor and not so minor annoyances

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Post by smaudet »

eindiran wrote: post #128
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #100

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I have a hand-screw isolator on the battery of my my VW T5, like this https://images.app.goo.gl/d5GXhBocg3gEjhbZA I take the green screw part with me if I have any concerns, and sometimes even if it's parked in it's usual place at home. I figure if a their tries to start the vehicle and it doesn't even turn on, they're likely to move to the next vehicle rather than muck about trying to troubleshoot mine. It's low tec…

You are now the second person to recommend me an idea in that vein; I have just been using a steering wheel lock since I can't actually get an immobilizer rn. So I think I will actually materialize on your idea. Appreciate the comment.

Hmm another thought - tie the gas pedal to the steering wheel with a steel chain/lock.

Sure, they can cut your chain with bolt cutters, but that's not exactly inconspicuous, and it encourages would be theives towards easier marks. Probably cheaper than a wheel lock, too.

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Post by quonn »

rippercushions wrote: post #220
cdepman wrote: post #75

Wonderful. I recently rented a model 3 and found it incredibly frustrating that it required multiple touches to adjust settings that would be a single button press on a more traditional car. Don’t even get me started on the windshield wipers - a total nightmare in winter storms and located on the left stalk? These are safety concerns. As long as humans are operating these dangerous vehicles, I vote for fewer driver d…

I almost didn't buy a Tesla because of my concerns over the lack of controls, but turns out that while driving, it's rarely if ever necessary to touch the screen, because there's voice commands for everything (navigate to X, climate control off, etc). Plus often you don't need to do anything at all: the lights switch on automatically if it's dark, the windshield wipers activate automatically if there's moisture, etc.…

My only request would be an option to override the auto wipers (even on autopilot) and without the touchscreen. This could be done effectively by adding a double press action and auditive feedback to the left stalk button.
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