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Re: The Shit Show

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Post by pvg »

tptacek wrote: post #140
latchkey wrote: post #136

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Indeed. I got to that point of signup and playing with Mastodon and stopped. What, am I supposed to go hunting for some random server that'll allow me to join? Nah. I'll take my chances with getting kicked off or banned from Twitter, thanks. If I'm sent away from Twitter, I'll just stop consuming that content entirely. Probably a waste of time anyway.

This notion of affiliating with specific servers with specific cultures is I think one of the first things that's going to go out the window as Mastodon/ActivityPub succeeds. It's not that hard to provision single-user instances, and the fabled moderation overhead issues are, as I understand from talking to operators, mostly a thing that follows from having lots of people in an instance following lots of other instan…

I ended up on infosec.exchange; it's been fine (thanks, infosec.exchange people!). I'll be on my own address sometime in the next month or so.

This is a dumb question because I've yet to mastodon-on but how does this work? Like, how do the followers of the old id start following the new id?

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Post by gala8y »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #308
tptacek wrote: post #12

I think (and have been saying this a bunch lately) that he's right about ActivityPub and Mastodon, and that "a universal timeline" is actually a really good way to put words to it. I was a Mastodon hater for years, but having used it for the past month or so with an actual community of people (really: the whole community I interacted with on Twitter before), I have to admit it: the ActivityPub people were right about…

> I'm expecting this to be the second-dumbest thing I ever predicted badly (I dismissed MP3s, too!) Fret not; when Sony released the first digital Mavica (the one that stored pictures on 1.44" floppys) I would have made a bet that digital photography will never take off. My only lame excuse it that at this time it was just unfeasible imagining that one day in the not too distant future you'd be able to store terabyte…

When I first heard of YouTube (video through Net???), I thought it would never take off... :)

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Post by amitrip »

wyclif wrote: post #221
mjmsmith wrote: post #153

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The author is disappointed because API access has been removed. He's angry because it was apparently done without notice on the orders of billionaire bozo Space Karen.

Do you really think that "Space Karen" is a clever insult? It's such a boring meme. You might as well just print a "Spaceman Bad" t-shirt so that everyone knows your approach to technology is motivated by politics.

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Re: The Shit Show

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Post by amitrip »

wyclif wrote: post #219
DonHopkins wrote: post #117

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A billionaire attacking somebody else as "Pedo Guy" was peak hominem plus outrageous power imbalance, and the post you're replying to doesn't hold a candle to that. Plus Musk really is "a prick" "Space Karen" "King Shithead" "shitty person" "arrogant bastard" "billionaire bozo" "a clown". Truth is the best defense against libel.

Thing is, that level of invective just makes me think he's got politically motivated brainworms. In terms of performance and features, Twitter is better than it's ever been.

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Post by amitrip »

helloworld11 wrote: post #286

Cry me a river. Build something based on a third party platform and expect possible consequences like this as its vagaries and ownership details change. Most of the post reeks of self absorption and naval gazing. Yep, some billionaire that for the moment isn't quite popular among the glitterati of social justice and elite media bought a major social network only to change it in ways you don't like. It happens, adjust…

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Post by kinleyd »

gala8y wrote: post #312
CaptainZapp wrote: post #308

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> I'm expecting this to be the second-dumbest thing I ever predicted badly (I dismissed MP3s, too!) Fret not; when Sony released the first digital Mavica (the one that stored pictures on 1.44" floppys) I would have made a bet that digital photography will never take off. My only lame excuse it that at this time it was just unfeasible imagining that one day in the not too distant future you'd be able to store terabyte…

When I first heard of YouTube (video through Net???), I thought it would never take off... :)

Me too. And now I find it so invaluable.

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Post by Ensorceled »

nradov wrote: post #133
Ensorceled wrote: post #97

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And you're defending the antics of a childish billionaire and blaming the damage on the people he hurt. That's on you.

There hasn't been any damage. No one has been hurt. Calm down and stop being overly dramatic. Twitter is not a real place, it's just a social network. Anyone who doesn't like it is free to use other communication tools, or even build their own. And I'm not defending Elon Musk here. I don't care about him one way or another. This isn't an issue that rational, educated people should get agitated about.

> There hasn't been any damage. No one has been hurt. Calm down and stop being overly dramatic.

We are literally talking about a posting from the CEO of a company that has been essentially shutdown by this change. Other companies have also been placed in this predicament. People will probably lose jobs, at least, and these companies may go bankrupt.

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Post by api »

pbronez wrote: post #175
api wrote: post #80

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The net was a very different place before, say, somewhere between 2010 and 2015. I saw a huge shift then. Everything got monetized, weaponized, optimized for addiction, or drowned in spam. There’s always been bad actors and criminals and trolls online too but in the past decade they have either gotten worse or become more empowered. The golden age of the open Internet was really between about 1996 when it started to…

Well said. I wonder if maybe It Can Be Different This Time. I think it will take focused work at the protocol level, because you’re right that the Fediverse is a juicy target. I worry that the next 6 months will be a war against spam and other attackers… one that instance admins are under-resourced and under-equipped to win. We need to get a governance structure going and iterate towards something like OcapPub https:…

One thing the cryptocurrency people do get right is designing protocols for attack resistance from the get go. They do this because it’s money, but people need to learn that everything is money. Personal data, attention, access to boost opinions, etc are all fungible currencies that will get stolen if they are not protected.

ActivityPub is not designed for a battlefield. I worry that this dooms it.

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Post by red-iron-pine »

api wrote: post #80
godelski wrote: post #50

I've been thinking about social media a lot lately and how it has changed my life. I'm only in my early 30's, but I think many others my age grew up online and when the internet felt smaller, but in a different way. I made life long friends through these means. But something I've noticed is that as everyone has come online, I have made fewer friends. What I personally miss is the small niche communities. These don't…

The net was a very different place before, say, somewhere between 2010 and 2015. I saw a huge shift then. Everything got monetized, weaponized, optimized for addiction, or drowned in spam. There’s always been bad actors and criminals and trolls online too but in the past decade they have either gotten worse or become more empowered. The golden age of the open Internet was really between about 1996 when it started to…

> 1. Engagement maximizing algorithms give weight to the most inflammatory content. These hit the scene big starting around 2008. If you forced me to pick one root culprit I would blame this.

This isn't new, or even kinda new. Tabloids, TV, billboards, they've al been doing this since before anyone posting on HN was born.

> 2. Thanks to monetized social media “Internet troll” is now a career option. You can make money. You can maybe even become the President of the United States.

Not for much longer. GPT-4 gonna take that over.

Dang robots, takin er jerbs.

Re: The Shit Show

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Post by red-iron-pine »

sincarne wrote: post #295
paulcole wrote: post #106

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> I'm only in my early 30's, but… [as time has gone on ]… something I've noticed is that as everyone has come online, I have made fewer friends Welcome to your 30s. You will make fewer friends than you did in your 20s.

Until you have a kid in school, and then it’ll pick up again.

That's a helluva trade-off tho. Making friends isn't easy, but kids are straight up hard. And expensive.

"I have three kids and no money... Why can't I have no kids and three money?"

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