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No, this is publicly available information. Flight tracks are not private

It doesn't matter if its publicly available. To aggregate the data in such an easily accessible form is an invitation to crackpots. Few crackpots are going to seek out such information unless they are truly dedicated from the get-go.

Oh you mean like how Trump invited crackpots to the capitol? You seem to want to both ways.

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Good to see I'm vindicated in the prediction that Musk has zero interest in free speech, he only has interest in his narrative being dominant on Twitter.

He's also restored countless accounts that were banned under previous ownership. While banning ElonJet flys in the face of being a "free speech absolutist", he's certainly demonstrated that he's generally in favor of freer speech.

He certainly has not demonstrated that he's in favor of free speech. He did restore a bunch of accounts - mostly far right trolls - and banned a bunch of others. It's not like Twitter wasn't a cesspool before, but he managed to make it worse while blaming the previous regime for being asleep at the wheel. The guy who used to be in charge of content moderation recently had to flee his home after Musk suggested Twitter had been turning a blind eye to child abuse and his army of sycophants went on the warpath. This is after he fired the entire team responsible for dealing with that garbage. He accuses companies who are cutting back advertising of being against free speech. The guy is a straight up cyber bully. Anyone paying attention has known that for years. Free speech only matters when it's his own free speech.

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A car doesn't emit nearly as much as a leer jet. If it was just a matter of 'rich people doing rich things without influencing others', it'd be an entirely different story.

This thread has nothing to do with emissions. It's about privacy and surveillance.

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The good thing about Musk claiming Free speech absolutism is that we can hold him responsible for it. He might be a free speech NIMBY but because he claims to support free speech, his actions that clearly contradict this claim have very heavy toll on his persona. IMHO Musk has a real opportunity to actually make Twitter great, Twitter was in a horrible shape and no one was happy with its state and I hoped that he can…

> have very heavy toll on his persona His supporters are fanatical - none of his previous abhorrent actions have had a heavy toll, so it's unclear why this one should. He is certainly receiving a large backlash to his recent actions, but I think that's more a case of people (outside of tech) who would've paid little attention to him before being forced to be more fully aware of his existence, than anyone who previous…

There's a very real argument to be made now that remaining publicly in control of Tesla is bad for TSLA shareholders. The brand is going to suffer if he doesn't at least put a plausible puppet at the head of the company.

Twitter is already a lost cause. He wanted to create a more popular Parler. Probably it'll just end up in the same place with the same niche user base.

At least SpaceX has Gwynn.

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Where else can N628TS be tracked? It looks like some of the most widely used flight trackers do not provide this data.

I read it's because the FAA has a list of flights that cannot be displayed on sites like that, called LADD: https://www.faa.gov/pilots/ladd > The Administrator shall, upon request of a private aircraft owner or operator, block the registration number of the aircraft from any public dissemination or display, except in data made available to a Government agency, for the noncommercial flights of the owner or operator.

This site seems to confirm that the plane is indeed on the LADD list https://laddlist.com/aircraft/N628ts

Thus the only public source is ADSBExchange because it uses croudsourced data. Imagine that people put crowdsourced license place readers on their private property and then through a made an aggregate of this data on the public movements over every car available (and charged commercial users.)

That would be quite problematic for personal privacy.

ADSBExchange isn't quite the same as that since airplane movement is less granular and thus less privacy is lost. Also, the people who use private jets tend to be rich and powerful, so there's an aspect of "punching up" here that is not present in the crowdsourced car movement analogy. Still, I don't think the privacy considerations here are as cut and dry as the people who are claiming "it's public data, what's the problem?" are making it out to be.

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Does anyone else see any daylight between criticizing someone and tracking their movements? I think there are two cases we should observe to be able to judge motives here: - What happens to Twitter accounts that are heavily critical of Musk, but do not track him or otherwise lead to real-world harassment/violence? - What happens to a Twitter account that is tracking someone else who isn't Musk? If Twitter is allowing…

As of right now, @bezosjets and @ZuccJet, operated by the same person as @ElonJet, are both active.

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Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

serious question, does free speech extend to doxing? Personally I wouldn't like if there was a twitter that constantly tweeted the location of my car.

It depends I think it's extremely hypocritical of Musk to ban speech like doxxing, based on his past comments.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

Just so we're clear: You'll be totally in favor of maintaining the accounts of anyone who routinely posts the location of others, including yourself, right? Because that's not stalking at all... right?

It's all about what we call a "reasonable expectation of privacy" right? And all Sweeney did was publish information that was already publicly available[1], right?

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Sweeney

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I'm guessing bankruptcy has always been the plan, but I never really understood why his financial backers would knowingly light a pile of money on fire. For oppressive governments, it seems easier to monitor & block activity on one major social media platform, rather than quashing twitter and dealing with the dozens of platforms that rise from the ashes. Maybe it's a megalomaniac dictator thing, and I will never unde…

Musk's grand plan is to lose $30B or so of his own money, plus $13B from bankers who trusted that he would pay them back? That does not seem plausible to me.

The $13 billion is now only worth $7 billion btw.

The bond market has shifted. Twitter still owes $13 Billion of course, but those bonds are toxic. No one wants junk-bonds from Twitter right now.

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Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

I mean, he's openly been saying the level of death threats he's been receiving is exceedingly high. Seems like it could just be for security.

What about all of the death threats that politicians and election workers in Georgia received because of Trump pushing election lies on platforms like Twitter?

Georgia's Secretary of State and his family received death threats.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/11/politics/georgia-raffensperge...

Some election workers had to leave their homes because of death threats

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-threats-geor...

But Trump's account was reinstated so I guess only Elon's personal safety matters.

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