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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by mozumder »

yanderekko wrote: post #119
smcl wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you have to ask yourself which of the following is more likely: 1. @elonjet suddenly started to engage in some extremist/TOS-breaking behaviour 2. Elon Musk changed his mind Given that #2 has happened a few times already, I think that's a pretty reasonable assumption.

Oh, so you can provide another example of Elon directly saying he would do X and then turning around and doing not-X a month or so later with no sort of intervening events that would justify an about-face? I can't think of any.

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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by lucideer »

mrtksn wrote: post #139
alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

The good thing about Musk claiming Free speech absolutism is that we can hold him responsible for it. He might be a free speech NIMBY but because he claims to support free speech, his actions that clearly contradict this claim have very heavy toll on his persona. IMHO Musk has a real opportunity to actually make Twitter great, Twitter was in a horrible shape and no one was happy with its state and I hoped that he can…

> have very heavy toll on his persona

His supporters are fanatical - none of his previous abhorrent actions have had a heavy toll, so it's unclear why this one should.

He is certainly receiving a large backlash to his recent actions, but I think that's more a case of people (outside of tech) who would've paid little attention to him before being forced to be more fully aware of his existence, than anyone who previously supported him thinking less of him.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

suyash wrote: post #10

I would report all the other accounts as they can present a security threat. This should be private information in the first place.

It's public information (ADB-S) and the account is exercising its freedom of speech. Elon said on twitter that "My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk" (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456)

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by meepmorp »

czbond wrote: post #59
DHPersonal wrote: post #5

I think Elon has given up any pretense of being open to criticism, so an action like this seemed fairly inevitable.

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Planes constantly broadcast their identification and location data on an open channel - you can get a radio dongle for your computer and track every plane around you for miles.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by velmu »

starkd wrote: post #158
alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

Banning accounts such as this is not at all inconsistent with banning accounts with the stated intent to track or surveil an individual. Accounts such as this are dangerous and no one needs to know his travel plans. The need for privacy does not interfere with anyone's freedom of speech here.

Why is https://twitter.com/PutinJet still up?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by devmor »

yanderekko wrote: post #119
smcl wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you have to ask yourself which of the following is more likely: 1. @elonjet suddenly started to engage in some extremist/TOS-breaking behaviour 2. Elon Musk changed his mind Given that #2 has happened a few times already, I think that's a pretty reasonable assumption.

Oh, so you can provide another example of Elon directly saying he would do X and then turning around and doing not-X a month or so later with no sort of intervening events that would justify an about-face? I can't think of any.

I think it would be easier to list all of the significant commitments Elon has not turned face (or at least tried to turn face) on.

I can't think of one, can you?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

GameOfFrowns wrote: post #140
abraxas wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, meanwhile a guy who has millions of followers and keeps spewing conspiracy nonsense about stolen elections is allowed back in because of course nothing bad could ever happen out of inciting that.

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How often has she mentioned the elections were stolen again?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by starkd »

pjc50 wrote: post #157
yanderekko wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

Why does anyone care about alternative "narratives"? Are there any other facts that one might like to introduce? Not alternative facts, things that actually happened.

There is an alternative justification in the right to privacy. Such accounts are indeed reckless with no corresponding need to know. No one's free speech rights are being suppressed here.
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