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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by archibaldJ »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #172

Tech companies are making themselves active participants in conflicts involving powerful countries. Sooner or later, one of those countries is going to reach out and strike back in the physical world. It's just a matter of time. When it was little nudges in color revolutions in relatively weak countries, there was not much to worry about. Now? They're playing with fire and the tech folks doesn't seem they have a clue…

Well this drives up demand for the body-guard & security industry. And then maybe the military industry.. Soon we’ll see Meta buying submarines to invest in its in-house defence department or something

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by trasz »

zozbot234 wrote: post #85
monklu wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary, I think this says less about FB, but more so reflects a hypocrisy in "western principles" that many are probably not self-aware of. Let's assume for a second, that FB do not relax their rules for this conflict. Then they would have to ban a whole sleuth of Ukrainian accounts, including many government accounts such as Ministry of Defense, and probably even Zelensky. You don't have to stretch your ima…

They could relax their rules to allow for calls to military self-defense in the context of a "military operation" that has been condemned by the UN, while still banning "calls for violence" against Russians. The two are nothing like each other! Self-defense, or "standing one's ground" is not the same as initiating violence.

Problem is, given the circumstances, any violence against Russia would be a morally valid form of defense. Including whatever might happen within Russia.

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Post by trasz »

iso1631 wrote: post #203
zozbot234 wrote: post #161

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"Death to the Russian invaders" is nationalistic propaganda of the sort that Putin likes to point to when he calls Ukrainians "nazis". It's not a sensible call to engage in self-defense. For one thing, it does not properly distinguish between ordinary Russians, of whom there are plenty in Ukraine (Russian even used to be an official language before the Ukraine government removed it as retaliation against the Crimea r…

Are ordinary Russians invaders?

Ordinary Russians are either invaders, or an unavoidable collateral damage - sad, but justified.

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Post by [deleted] »

ensan wrote: post #223
bananabiscuit wrote: post #60

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I’m honestly hyped for a new golden age of movies and games where Russians are the bad guys. I feel like Russian bad guys always had more character and really made you want to see the hero outmaneuver them. Arabs just didn’t do it for me the last two decades.

“The old-fashioned racism didn’t cut it for me anymore. Excited to be racist towards a new group of people”

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Post by trasz »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #186

I wonder if, like I, people see the word "Russia" and think it means two distinct things: the mobsters and their network of organized embezzling and crime and terror to protect themselves who currently control the Kremlin, and the millions of innocent people along for the ride. Seems Russia has this tail recursive shitty luck of essentially mobsters raping the country for well over a century.

Vast majority of those millions fully support Putin.

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Post by ccdan »

meepmorp wrote: post #128
lm28469 wrote: post #116

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Do they allow call for violence and death threats to these people ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisone... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings Asking for a friend

This is some very whatabouty whataboutism.

"whataboutism" is a propaganda term meant to excuse double standards and hypocrisy. It doesn't work.

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Post by trasz »

kurthr wrote: post #37
lalaland1125 wrote: post #10

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> Should we keep posting Russian proganda on Twitter? Also yes. Well, that propaganda is for foreign audiences. This is 100% consistent. You can believe the game is rigged, but still be forced to play.

Note, this is exactly as true of Chinese media/propaganda (CGTN etc). They are all over Tiktok, Twitter, Youtube, Facebook etc... but if you see someone posting from there, you can assume that it is likely state sponsored. It is illegal for a national to use a VPN to access those sites, and dangerous to do so if it upsets anyone in power.

Not true; everyone uses VPN. It’s as illegal as smoking weed in Berlin.

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Post by pvaldes »

jfengel wrote: post #230
nradov wrote: post #162

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There have been many wars around the world since Facebook was founded in 2004. What about these circumstances is different than with other armed conflicts? Why should the principles change?

None of those threatened to become nuclear wars. While nuclear-armed nations have been at war, there was never any real suggestion that nuclear weapons would be used. Also, Facebook has become increasingly conscious over the past half-decade or so of the role that it plays in events. It has already changed its policies to be more activist in preventing the use of its platform for advocating violence. That decision fo…

> There have been many wars around the world, why is different now?

Is important to mention that Anti-War feeling is accumulative, not independent events. Everybody is much more upset about this war precisely for having suffered, paid for, and experienced the past wars fiascos.

The free dinner pass card to start wars after 9/11 using fake pretenses has expired. To use twice the "but they have WMD" card would be much more difficult now

Seeing Putin to use exactly the same lies an excuses to blame on other for his own acts is sickening.

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Post by schleck8 »

8note wrote: post #300
schleck8 wrote: post #35

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They claimed they did not destroy the hospital at first and then shifted to calling it an Azov base afaik. Just like Lavrov yesterday claimed Russia hasn't actually invaded Ukraine.

Sounds similar to claims about the Ukranian medical research labs. First claims that there are no weapons labs, then claims that the things attacked aren't weapons labs. It's possible for details to be lost in translation, and for people to make mistakes

Wow, Russia has messed up really badly then. I guess their navigation wasn't working since they ended up on all accessible sites of Ukraine, including next to Kyiv. While announcing an operation in Donbass
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