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Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by wetpaws »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

Just use Linux. I don't see much point in using windows in 2021, even for gaming.

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Post by _joel »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #161
onychomys wrote: post #158

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You want to ban.....the BBC?

I mean, this is an example of where their technology reporting isn't even close to adequate. They're reporting an 11 year old fact as "news", that doesn't actually reflect the reality of today. For a technology-focused community, BBC reporting on technology isn't adequate. And a bunch of blogspam articles have "covered" this "news" as well. I think it's a sign of bad journalism.

I agree with your point for the HN crowd reading it but it's not intended to be read by us soley. Yes, there have been some real shockers, I'll grant you that but I have read some decent scientific and some IT articles that do generally capture the specifics and ELI5. I think there's been a shift in the quality of the output, for sure, especitally around politics there too (although that's an entirely different story). Tangentially, I used to work at the beeb a few years back, in a technical department (non journalistic). There's some fantastic people there that are extremely talented and do try to uphold Reithian principles, it's just unfortunately spoilt by others with different motives.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by tored »

bsd44 wrote: post #241
artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

You should look into an alternative then. Linux is quite beginner friendly these days and with Wine you can emulate pretty much any Windows application if that's what's holding you back from switching. If not then MacOS is the way to go. If you really want to go "back" then you should have a look at ReactOS which is a sort of an open-source Windows clone. I can't comment on recent Windows-related event as XP was the…

Even if Windows 10 has problems with scattered settings, old style programs vs new style apps, default apps and start menu annoyances, Linux Desktop annoyances are on a completely different level.

The huge Gnome 3 schism, that lead to many different Gnome forks. And consequently GTK is more of a Gnome 3 toolkit rather than a universal toolkit, which will affect non-gnome GTK apps.

And if you manage to pick a desktop, hopefully by avoiding Gnome 3 because it constantly changes workflow and uses buggy JavaScript plugins, you realize that you will probably have Gnome 3 installed anyway because apps or the distro having dependencies to Gnome, if you don’t want to settle for old forks of those apps with less features.

And if you didn’t pick Gnome (or KDE) it is a good idea to install a compositor if you don’t like software rendered desktop like the good old Windows 9x days.

Be sure to turn the compositor off if you plan to play any games, especially if you thinking about playing on Wine. Or accept to always play in full screen. This will of course annoy you every time you need to look up something online.

If your game doesn’t run well, just add this unknown PPA that will installs nightly compiled graphics libraries (who wouldn’t?).

And if your computer freezes mid game, sorry you didn’t change the virtual memory size before because it is a fixed size. Tough luck.

And then of course the entire X vs Wayland situation.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by Macha »

clajiness wrote: post #291
tored wrote: post #261

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Month ago I installed Windows 10 and created a local account while connected to the internet, if I remember correctly it was hidden by 2 or 3 steps. Professional version.

Same. No need for the Microsoft account, although it is tricky to find.

Some wonderful mid-brightness blue text on a dark blue background.

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Post by criddell »

eloff wrote: post #260
bsd44 wrote: post #241

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You should look into an alternative then. Linux is quite beginner friendly these days and with Wine you can emulate pretty much any Windows application if that's what's holding you back from switching. If not then MacOS is the way to go. If you really want to go "back" then you should have a look at ReactOS which is a sort of an open-source Windows clone. I can't comment on recent Windows-related event as XP was the…

One can complain about Windows, but at the end of the day I have way more issues with desktop Linux (which I use principally.) I find myself in an awkward situation where I don't like any of the three major desktop operating systems for different reasons. It's more a matter of picking the one that's less bad. Currently for me that's Linux for work, Windows for games, and Mac for a laptop. I need a new laptop next yea…

I've been using Linux on-and-off since the fall of 1993 and I've learned that the best way to use Linux is to pick the most popular distribution and then do as little customization as possible. You still will probably have to wipe and reinstall from scratch every five years, but that's not a Linux-only problem.

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Post by miles »

dantondwa wrote: post #289
volkl48 wrote: post #280

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Windows S mode is a tightly locked down mode that only allows Microsoft Store Apps to be used and only allows Microsoft Edge for a browser. It's basically making your computer like a Windows 10 edition of a Chromebook. ------ I'm all for "you shouldn't need a Microsoft account to use your computer", but if you want to you use the locked down mode that is specifically FOR tight integration with MS's services and limit…

I'm fully aware of what S mode is. A family member bought a 600€ laptop from Dell that came with Windows S. To unlock it and allow said family member to install software that is not on the Microsoft Store (which is to say, any software, really), we had to setup a Microsoft account, as otherwise it was impossible to unlock it. And by the way, I doubt it's anyone's choice to use S mode. It certainly wouldn't be mine.

> we had to setup a Microsoft account, as otherwise it was impossible to unlock it.

Why not boot from a Windows 10 ISO and install Windows Home from there? As an added bonus, it would be a lot cleaner without all of the Dell junkware as well.

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Post by tyingq »

dstaley wrote: post #296
tyingq wrote: post #11

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It's not clear where the reporter got the "redesigned start menu" idea from. Reads like it's just their personal guess. I'm also not clear on why the Win10 start menu got so much hate. I delete all the tiles and it then seems not much different than prior start menus.

They likely were aware of this leak [1], but didn't want to name it specifically (or had their own sources). [1] https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/15/22535123/microsoft-window...

Ah, that's more interesting than the linked story. Thanks for sharing.

Mac style centered dock. LoL.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by pram »

tobias3 wrote: post #281
rleigh wrote: post #193

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I think this was somewhat hyperbolic, it's not that frequent, but it's still beyond ridiculous. I run VMs on vmware workstation. Every 2 or 3 days I come in to find the system rebooted during the night. I've tried every knob possible to turn it off to no avail. Updates regularly reset all the power settings so it suspends after 30 minutes. The lack of control over the machine's basic functioning makes it barely fit f…

So this comes up every time Windows comes up. I have a "Pro" version, went into Group Policy Editor and changed updates to require user action. This setting is supported by Microsoft and persists through updates. It only updates if I tell it to update. Is that too hard to discover? Do you use a Home edition? (Obviously if you use any unsupported registry hacks it can revert to default behaviour any time...)

You think Microsoft hid that in a GPO because it has great discoverability?

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by Macha »

tored wrote: post #313
bsd44 wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should look into an alternative then. Linux is quite beginner friendly these days and with Wine you can emulate pretty much any Windows application if that's what's holding you back from switching. If not then MacOS is the way to go. If you really want to go "back" then you should have a look at ReactOS which is a sort of an open-source Windows clone. I can't comment on recent Windows-related event as XP was the…

Even if Windows 10 has problems with scattered settings, old style programs vs new style apps, default apps and start menu annoyances, Linux Desktop annoyances are on a completely different level. The huge Gnome 3 schism, that lead to many different Gnome forks. And consequently GTK is more of a Gnome 3 toolkit rather than a universal toolkit, which will affect non-gnome GTK apps. And if you manage to pick a desktop,…

> And if you didn’t pick Gnome (or KDE) it is a good idea to install a compositor if you don’t like software rendered desktop like the good old Windows 9x days.

So I haven't gone out of the way to install a compositor (are you talking a wayland compositor, or the older Compiz type stuff)?

But I have 2x1440p and 1x1080p and I've not noticed any perf issues, which I assume is what you're highlighting as the downside?

And I use all three major desktop OSes daily, so it's not that there's some blazing fast responsiveness to be had on Windows or OS X I'm unaware of.

> If your game doesn’t run well, just add this unknown PPA that will installs nightly compiled graphics libraries (who wouldn’t?).

This feels like five years out of date. Just pick a compatibility tool dropdown in Steam for most people. Lutris if you want something open source.

> And if your computer freezes mid game, sorry you didn’t change the virtual memory size before because it is a fixed size. Tough luck.

I haven't had a swap partition in years, and not once has it lead to a game crash.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by rleigh »

tobias3 wrote: post #281
rleigh wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this was somewhat hyperbolic, it's not that frequent, but it's still beyond ridiculous. I run VMs on vmware workstation. Every 2 or 3 days I come in to find the system rebooted during the night. I've tried every knob possible to turn it off to no avail. Updates regularly reset all the power settings so it suspends after 30 minutes. The lack of control over the machine's basic functioning makes it barely fit f…

So this comes up every time Windows comes up. I have a "Pro" version, went into Group Policy Editor and changed updates to require user action. This setting is supported by Microsoft and persists through updates. It only updates if I tell it to update. Is that too hard to discover? Do you use a Home edition? (Obviously if you use any unsupported registry hacks it can revert to default behaviour any time...)

I have already tried this and all of the other recommendations out there including Shutup10 (on Win 10 Pro). It's quite possible it was working and got reset on an update, lots of things seem to get reset.

But whatever the actual case, it's not at all obvious what triggers the reboots or why. It doesn't even have the courtesy to ask. It just does it and loses all my current work and VM states. The deliberate removal of direct user control is absolutely nuts. I didn't buy my computer with its primary purpose being applying Windows updates and rebooting. It's there for me to use for doing work, and it's failing at that by placing Microsoft's whims above my needs.

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