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Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy

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Re: Smoke has caused temperature forecasts to go crazy

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Post by bfuclusion »

kelnos wrote: post #309
kiddico wrote: post #280

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I realize that air filters are the perfect candidate for a subscription service... but it's just insane the that every product in existence has a business prepared to ship some of it to you monthly.

Even with filters, it annoys me from an environmental perspective that the default flow leads you into having them ship you the exact number of filters your house needs, every two months. Do filters have a shelf life? If not, or if it's sufficiently long, I'd rather they just send me six filters once a year, instead of one every two months, or something like that. I get that some people might not have enough storage…

You can totally do the six filters once a year, that's how I usually do it, but the smoke is destroying filters pretty quickly. If you want minimal brain power, getting them every 3-months (or what your normal cycle is) is fairly optimal, since getting new filter === time to change the filter.

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Post by scruple »

kelnos wrote: post #309
kiddico wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I realize that air filters are the perfect candidate for a subscription service... but it's just insane the that every product in existence has a business prepared to ship some of it to you monthly.

Even with filters, it annoys me from an environmental perspective that the default flow leads you into having them ship you the exact number of filters your house needs, every two months. Do filters have a shelf life? If not, or if it's sufficiently long, I'd rather they just send me six filters once a year, instead of one every two months, or something like that. I get that some people might not have enough storage…

I keep extra filters in the garage for about 6 months before they rotate into use. I'm not sure if they have a shelf life or not but we've never noticed any difference and neither have our indoor air sensors.

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Post by ALittleLight »

koolba wrote: post #282
ALittleLight wrote: post #153

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I have two of these running right now. According to my air quality meter, PM 2.5 has fallen from about ~250 indoors to ~40. (My meter shows ~600 outside, which is about 3x what the government website shows for my area)

What do you use to measure air quality?

I use this thing: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0787Z5DK9

I'm not sure how accurate it is or isn't. It reacts to the filters, for example, or if I hold it in front of the filter it'll reach a very low number, conversely if I take it to other parts of the house or outside it'll increase. I've done a few trials like that and it seems directionally accurate, but I can't speak to the numerical accuracy.

It measures PM 2.5 and 10 and has a button to show graphs over time for ~12 hours. Battery life is pretty good, I usually leave it detecting on the charger, but I've had it in handheld mode for several hours and stayed above 80%. It's super simple to use.

One thing I don't like about it is that it has a cheap plastic hinge that is supposed to let it stand up, but it broke on me after a couple uses. It doesn't seem to matter though if it's standing up or laying down, it still reads pretty much the same.

I wish it had a way to export data to my computer or maybe an app.

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Post by asdasfasdfasdf »

kirillzubovsky wrote: post #307
asdasfasdfasdf wrote: post #292

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I sense some hippie shame (maybe I'm wrong)! IMO a lot of that feeling stems from the government and ruling class pushing back against counter-culture. They were more right about the environment (among other issues) than they even realized at the time. Earthships are unconventional in appearance and implementation, but are great examples of the type of thinking we're going to need to overcome imminent climate issues.…

No, no hippie shame at all. In fact, I suppose everyone has their own view on what a hippy is, and I should not have referred to it as "hippy" to begin with. It's too generic and yet personal, and doesn't quite describe anything specifically applicable to this case. my bad!

No worries... I always react to this because I see a lot of people online parroting an "no really, I'm not a hippie" attitude without thinking about the origin of that feeling!

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Post by jMyles »

derefr wrote: post #93
londons_explore wrote: post #4

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In % of land area burned, the fires are pretty small. Far less than 1% of the US land area burned this year. So, given the same weather conditions, you should expect more fires next year.

That isn’t the statistic I would expect to be pulled out here. Not all land area has any chance of catching/spreading a fire. Fires don’t really spread through rainforest; they definitely don’t spread through rocky areas; nor, really, through swampland; nor across mountain ranges; nor through irrigated cropland. (Nor through modern concrete cities, but city land-area is negligible.) There’s definitely some portion of…

> Fires don’t really spread through rainforest

The region in question is one of the largest temperate rainforests in the world.

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Post by DaniloDias »

qqqwerty wrote: post #220
leftyted wrote: post #212

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I think comparisons to the civil rights movements of the past are valid and I agree that current movements compare unfavorably to the past ones. I'll just repeat that I think it's a significant mistake to make analogies to Nazis or Maoists.

MLK is being used disingenuously by the right[1]. He was treated very similar to BLM during his activism and his death was openly celebrated by some political figures on the right. BLM has very consciously decided to foster a leaderless movement to prevent the vilification tactics used by right wing media to discredit movements (see AOC, Hillary, Kaepernick, etc..)[2] [1] https://therecount.com/watch/revisionist-hist…

The downvotes should be sufficient, but I think you are misinformed if you think the modern right’s perspective is the same as the 60’s right.

I don’t know anything about the perceived violence of MLK- but three quotes are in my brain on him:

“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.”

“Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.”

“We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools.”

His legacy is his ideas- not the lens through which they were perceived. He had success because his ideas were compassionate and strong. A YouTube video that tries to slap a narrative on how he was perceived then to justify your current bigotry is irrelevant compared to the quality of his ideas.

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Post by mshenfield »

throwawaysea wrote: post #202
mshenfield wrote: post #20

Cliff Mass spoiled himself for me with this asinine blog post comparing Seattle BLM protesters to brownshirts in Nazi Germany [0]. It feels icky to get behind someone who will use his platform to sling ridiculous accusations and accept no criticism [1]. It's a shame - his weather reporting is uniquely good and fun to read. [0] https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2020/08/seattle-city-in-fear-... [1] https://cliffmass.blogs…

Cliff Mass is 100% right on comparing BLM protesters to brownshirts, and he was also specific in noting that he isn't describing all protesters. The relevant quote from his blog post is "Seattle's brownshirts have hidden within protest groups". Those who say this is an inappropriate comparison are gaslighting, as these criminals have a consistent track record of engaging in violence, intimidation, threats, and more.…

Intellectually I understand the comparison (politically motivated destruction of businesses) but it's so tone deaf.

The scale and consequences of Nazi Brownshirts and Kristallnacht - 7k businesses destroyed, 30k Jewish men arrested, by a racist state that would eventually kill them - are incomparable to what's happening here in Seattle.

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Post by KMag »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #78
revax wrote: post #22

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FYI melting iceberg do not cause sea levels to rise, but glacier do. An ice cube melting in your glass water do not rises the level.

the thermal expansion coefficient of liquid water explains the rise

That would be an effect of ocean warming. The melting itself occurs at a nearly constant temperature and is correlated with, but not causative of, the ocean warming.

But, perhaps you're trying to point out that the thermal expansion of the oceans has a greater impact on sea level rises than the correlated problem of glacier melting.

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Post by rayhendricks »

asdasfasdfasdf wrote: post #314
kirillzubovsky wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, no hippie shame at all. In fact, I suppose everyone has their own view on what a hippy is, and I should not have referred to it as "hippy" to begin with. It's too generic and yet personal, and doesn't quite describe anything specifically applicable to this case. my bad!

No worries... I always react to this because I see a lot of people online parroting an "no really, I'm not a hippie" attitude without thinking about the origin of that feeling!

We have that regulatory capture of building and zoning in the USA so that even if you wanted to just go and build an earthship it would be technically illegal.

If they can’t tax it or control it = not happening.

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Post by dgellow »

kirillzubovsky wrote: post #239

Yup. It's been a fun weekend. Everyone in the family is feeling the cabin fever, but outside (Bellevue, WA) smells like inside of a fireplace. We put a few boxed fans with HEPA filters around the house and they are now black. In hindsight, should've bought more filters, but all the stores and Amazon are sold out for the near future. Speaking about the future, this puts planning in perspective. With the climate changi…

> It's a good time to ponder what the real estate and living of the future could look like!

Move to Europe :) We don’t have crazy fires, high risk of earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes. That’s becoming a compelling argument!

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