China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs • Hacker News Board

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by logicchains » Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 2:29 PM UTC

take_a_breath wrote: post #275

logicchains wrote: post #192

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This poster gave some examples: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24304367

I didn't see any sources or references on that comment nor does it mention the concentration camps anywhere.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/what-hong-kong-losin...

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article...

https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-tiktok-ban-us-c...

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jul/18/pressure-...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Tsai_call

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/183...

https://www.androidauthority.com/huawei-google-android-ban-9...

For the concentration camps: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/09/world/asia/trump-china-sa...

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by qiqing » Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 2:34 PM UTC

jkhdigital wrote: post #237

qiqing wrote: post #198

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Let me contrast that with something: opening a dialogue outside of an echo chamber. For example, a woman of Han descent who had her purse snatched by a Uighur kid talked about feeling nervous and clutching her bag when she passed someone on the street. Instead of lecturing her about systemic problems as a first resort, I started by finding common ground: her experiences as a Chinese woman studying abroad in Japan, an…

Yeah... I hear you and I think there’s a valid point here, but let’s not draw false equivalencies. Mass forced detention of entire ethnic groups is not comparable to systemic racism. One can argue that the US is systemically racist but we did elect a black president.

I'm not drawing an equivalence. I'm talking about opening up a dialogue by finding common ground first.

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by take_a_breath » Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 2:36 PM UTC

logicchains wrote: post #292

take_a_breath wrote: post #279

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==Overall the unemployment rate is much better in Red states, which have weaker or no lockdowns== This data is from May 9th. Do you think anything has changed in Teas, Arizona, and Florida since then?

Well we can find out: https://floridajobs.org/workforce-statistics/workforce-stati... shows 11.3% as latest numbers for Florida, https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-unemployme... shows 8.4% for Texas (fallen for the third month in a row), and https://www.azpm.org/p/home-articles-news/2020/8/26/179229-n... shows 10.6% for Arizona. https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-city/nyc-unemployment-ra... shows New…

Getting the blame is part of being the country’s chief executive. There are two main categories here, economy and health. We are performing worse than Europe on both accounts (higher death toll and higher unemployment rate). Does that tell you we are doing something wrong as a country?

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by abc-xyz » Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 2:36 PM UTC

DataWorker wrote: post #295

abc-xyz wrote: post #164

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His trade war is hurting China a lot - companies are being forced to leave due to the high tariffs, Chinese companies are suffering (for instance, Huawei not being allowed to use Android, banned from using chips with US tech, etc.), TAIPEI Act and Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act was also signed under his administration. He’s the first US President to speak directly with Taiwan’s President since 1979, he made…

I wouldn’t assume he doesn’t care. He is human don’t forget. I do wonder how much the tougher stance towards China is specific to this administration. Can we know that a different administration would not have acted similarly. Maybe not the willingness to increase taxes on trade quite so aggressively, which is odd coming from a republican but the results have been encouraging with the American economy hitting record…

CCP’s atrocities are nothing new.. the only thing that’s new is that we finally have a couple of leaders that are beginning to stand up to China (such as USA and India), and Trump’s actions are forcing other nations hands.. for instance, Canada got dragged into it when Meng Wanzhou was rightfully arrested, to which the CCP responded with arbitrary arrests of Canadians in China.

Biden went on record saying he would end Trump’s China tariffs, and we can also see how little the EU and other western countries are doing to stand up to China (and how little Biden did during his 8 years’ vice presidency)..

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by bhaskara2 » Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 2:36 PM UTC

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Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by EForEndeavour » Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 2:37 PM UTC

logicchains wrote: post #207

mcji wrote: post #150

It all started with the "July 2009 Ürümqi riots" and then escalated after the "2014 Kunming attack".

>"July 2009 Ürümqi riots" Those were just peaceful protests.

You're referring to the peaceful protests that deteriorated into days of violence which killed 197+ people and injured thousands. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_2009_%C3%9Cr%C3%BCmqi_rio...

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by bhaskara2 » Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 2:39 PM UTC

maxwell wrote: post #229

tobyhinloopen wrote: post #23

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Are you rallying? I perfectly understand why people aren’t rallying: it’s happening on the other side of the planet. What are we supposed to do?

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This. Thank you, we underestimate what we can do with our money. We can collectively bring an expansionist power China to a halt if we systematically boycott them.

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Post by mistermann » Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 2:42 PM UTC

ericmay wrote: post #93

Darmody wrote: post #10

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Some of us don't have much power. I denounced it online several times, that's all I can do. People like Lebron James, who thinks of himself like a freedom fighter, when he criticized China he ended up saying he was misinformed and he wasn't educated about the issue. He loves the money coming from China more than anything else. I want him to be reminded by this. He put his millions before human lives, just like some n…

> I denounced it online several times, that's all I can do. You can do more. Write your representatives. Call their offices (both Democrat and Republican), and buy fewer Chinese products, even it costs more money. Please keep in mind I'm not criticizing you here, just saying you could literally do more if you wanted to. I do get annoyed with people who "complain online'. That's just a waste of time. Call your represe…

> Call your representatives. They will respond to thousands of phone calls from constituents saying "do X".

What do you say to people who don't really believe this? I don't think I'm the only one who looks at the political scene (and much of "reality" as it is projected into our brains through the media) and thinks it's largely theatre. Kayfabe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayfabe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfMe0dsxk_Q Kanye and The End of Reality – Wisecrack Edition

Oh sure, you can surely find discrete examples of where the system worked as advertised, but are these examples actually representative of the overall truth?

I can't shake this feeling that if I (or most any other person from this forum who has worked on large, complicated projects with many interconnected moving parts) was tasked with managing the affairs of this planet, the organization and means of communication/documentation would not look anything at all like what we've seen with our very eyes, for many decades.

How does a person sort out what is actually true anymore?

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Post by wycy » Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 2:42 PM UTC

logicchains wrote: post #281

wycy wrote: post #266

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I think it's a bit unfair to blame him for the unemployment rate having gotten so high, but it is fair to blame him for how long it has lasted. If he'd shown the tiniest bit of competent leadership through the pandemic, we could have locked down for 2 months, suffered the high unemployment, and then largely gotten back to normalcy(+masks) by now. Most jobs could have come back, especially if we had done something lik…

>If he'd shown the tiniest bit of competent leadership through the pandemic, we could have locked down for 2 months, suffered the high unemployment, and then largely gotten back to normalcy(+masks) by now. Then why haven't the Blue states that have been locked down for months gotten back to normalcy? Like California and New York? Why hasn't Melbourne gotten back to normalcy? Almost nowhere that prevented a first wave…

Blue states can't go back to normalcy since diseased red staters can still travel freely within the country and ruin it all over again. Also because Americans are too stubborn to mask up for the privilege of normalcy.

Places like Australia have gone back to normalcy(+masks) now. Japan can pack a train full of people(+masks).

Re: China Built a Vast New Infrastructure to Imprison Uighurs

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Post by jon_barrett » Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 2:43 PM UTC

jaggirs wrote: post #36

BuzzFeed News identified 268 newly built compounds by cross-referencing blanked-out areas on Baidu Maps with images from external satellite data providers Pretty cool. Trying to hide the facilities made them easier to find.

Very interesting. I've always wanted to tinker with satellite data for various research projects. Though one issue I generally have is that I've always found that the applications I imagine require data with more frequency than the free services like Google Maps provide.

Does anyone know of any good satellite data providers with more frequent (somewhere between bi-weekly and daily) data? I understand much of this is dependent on the nature of the project to determine what kind of satellite imagery you would need, different spectrometers at different UV ranges, different swathes, etc. but for now we'll just say something similar to the images in the article here.