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Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by mikec3010 » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 3:32 PM UTC

abandonliberty wrote: post #255

bdz wrote: post #213

"If a man gets lost in the mountains, hundreds will search and often two or three searchers are killed. But the next time somebody gets lost, just as many volunteers turn out. Poor arithmetic, but very human. It runs through all our folklore, all human religions, all our literature—a racial conviction that when one human needs rescue, others should not count the price. Weakness? It might be the unique strength that w…

Yet who shows up for the 3.1 million children who die of malnutrition every year? Every 3 minutes we lose more children then were in the cave. We can comprehend 13 people and the struggle against nature, while the scope of world hunger is far too complex and emotionally incomprehensible to mobilize enough people.

> who die of malnutrition

Do they die of malnutrition or governmental corruption? I thought it was proven in the 1980's that the problem isn't a lack of food, it's the degenerate political systems blocking aid from reaching those who are dying. At least that's the prevailing narrative on reddit.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by sametmax » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 3:33 PM UTC

delroth wrote: post #258

docker_up wrote: post #227

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Let's not forget that the coach was the one who led them into the caves in the first place.

Hindsight is 20/20. I guess nobody should ever do anything because it always has a tiny chance to go wrong? The coach probably didn't even take a wrong decision based on the information available at the time (it isn't rain season yet).

Err, no.

If you plan to enter deep into a huge cave, you check the weather forecast. Rainy season or not. And you don't enter if you see a chance of rain.

He failed on this one, and a man is dead because of it.

Now I'm don't think he should be blamed for it. It would be very unproductive.

But we certainly should make it a cautionary tale.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by sysbell » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 3:35 PM UTC

HeavyStorm wrote: post #292

abandonliberty wrote: post #255

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Yet who shows up for the 3.1 million children who die of malnutrition every year? Every 3 minutes we lose more children then were in the cave. We can comprehend 13 people and the struggle against nature, while the scope of world hunger is far too complex and emotionally incomprehensible to mobilize enough people.

Should I quote Stalin now?

Something something tragedy; something something statistic!

Now off to the Gulag!

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by ufmace » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 3:36 PM UTC

Jwarder wrote: post #299

_ylmx wrote: post #281

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> concentration camps This does nothing, but underplay the significance of the holocaust.

But they are literal concentration camps. Concentration camps have existed before and after the Nazis; that's not some idea they invented. The horror of the Holocaust is focused around the death camps more than the concentration camps.

Yes, but the word was clearly chosen in an attempt to liken them to Nazi concentration camps, which they have little in common with, besides being places where people are temporarily kept.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by monkmartinez » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 3:37 PM UTC

trissi wrote: post #302

BurningFrog wrote: post #286

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Globalization lifts 138k people out of extreme poverty per day. http://www.newsweek.com/now-good-news-poor-are-getting-riche...

But about 3 times as much new people are born, most of them in poverty....

My opinion on this is unpopular, but I will say it anyway; People shouldn't have more kids than they can afford.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by vinkelhake » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 3:37 PM UTC

bprieto wrote: post #160

ryanmercer wrote: post #13

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>I'm awaiting for the unavoidable book/movie. Hollywood producers are already on the ground http://www.newsweek.com/hollywood-producers-head-thai-cave-r...

The coach then will be an american living in Thailand, half the team will be girls, the sport will be american football instead of soccer, one of the rescuers will be a woman who happens to be an ex-girlfriend of the coach, there will be a bad guy from the government or some company that wants to leave them in the cave because it's cheaper... and Elon Musk's device will save the day.

The rumor is that The Rock is going to play the coach. Kevin Hart will play all 12 boys.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by koolba » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 3:37 PM UTC

blondie9x wrote: post #285

nickysielicki wrote: post #241

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I strongly disagree about current events. The Merrick Garland wikipedia page was a mess immediately after he was nominated, and I've just checked and the word "unprecedented" appears 7 times, in spite of the fact that it is by-no-means unprecedented for the senate to not consider a nomination [1]. There are a lot of partisan editors that wish to astroturf for their own political convictions, and because Wikipedia art…

Unprecedented in recent history. There really should be a law that the Senate needs to start holding hearings within X days. Otherwise partisanship will creep up on either side or multiple sides if we ever move beyond two parties.

> Unprecedented in recent history. There really should be a law that the Senate needs to start holding hearings within X days. Otherwise partisanship will creep up on either side or multiple sides if we ever move beyond two parties.

Similar to a pocket veto, not acting upon a nomination is a form of action. It's an indirect mechanism to reject a nominee.

I'm pretty sure changing this to mandate a hearing within a fixed number of days would require a constitutional amendment, not just a regular law, so is essentially impossible.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by lisper » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 3:38 PM UTC

abandonliberty wrote: post #255

bdz wrote: post #213

"If a man gets lost in the mountains, hundreds will search and often two or three searchers are killed. But the next time somebody gets lost, just as many volunteers turn out. Poor arithmetic, but very human. It runs through all our folklore, all human religions, all our literature—a racial conviction that when one human needs rescue, others should not count the price. Weakness? It might be the unique strength that w…

Yet who shows up for the 3.1 million children who die of malnutrition every year? Every 3 minutes we lose more children then were in the cave. We can comprehend 13 people and the struggle against nature, while the scope of world hunger is far too complex and emotionally incomprehensible to mobilize enough people.

It also has to do with drama (saving a kid from starvation doesn't make gripping television) and the perceived futility of it. So you give a kid a meal. Then what? The next day the kid is in exactly the same situation as before. To say nothing of the fact that most starvation is caused by distribution problems that are ultimately rooted in intransigent-seeming politics.

When you try to get a kid out of a cave there is at least some hope of lasting success.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by takk309 » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 3:38 PM UTC

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #222

ethbro wrote: post #157

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I assume the diver probably had lights. So at least they had some warning. But yeesh, seriously!

Yeah I can imagine you get visual hallucinations after spending some time in the darkness, so I can imagine they were skeptical seeing lights or hearing things at first. I hope they write a good book about their experiences.

I read in one of the many news reports that the kids had a hand crank flashlight. Hopefully, for their sanity, that was true.

Re: Thailand cave rescue: all 12 boys and coach successfully rescued

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Post by anon12345690 » Tue, Jul 10, 2018, 3:39 PM UTC

chx wrote: post #278

abandonliberty wrote: post #255

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Yet who shows up for the 3.1 million children who die of malnutrition every year? Every 3 minutes we lose more children then were in the cave. We can comprehend 13 people and the struggle against nature, while the scope of world hunger is far too complex and emotionally incomprehensible to mobilize enough people.

Is 3000 a low enough number? There are 3000 children in concentration camps in the USA separated from their parents. Edit: yes, I have chosen the words concentration camps to evoke the sceptre of the Holocaust. Also note my grandmother is still alive and an Auschwitz survivor. We. have. seen. this. before! 1. Classification 2. Symbolization 3. Discrimination 4. Dehumanization 5. Organization 6. Polarization 7. Prepar…

not really

if you actually pay attention to border patrol, you will see that these kids have left horrible conditions and many are not separated from parents but from strangers using them to get in or for drug smuggling. some dont even have any parents or family with them.

ICE also saves the most lives on the border