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Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Do you really feel like the Firefox UI is subpar?

No, but being on equal footing is not enough.

Sure it is. If Firefox and Chrome have similar UI, similar performance, similar functionality, but Firefox also has the added benefit of respecting your privacy, the only reason to use Chrome over Firefox is an emotional one.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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post #226

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> my issue is the religious cult like status so many tech related people give google, in spite of their numerous and repeated attempts to control so many facts of the digital landscape "People are defending Google" => "They are giving Google a religious cult status" really? Come on, keep that attitude away from adult discussion.

When the people are constantly defending an organisation that is becoming increasingly harmful to their own well being, what else is it but a cult?

More than almost any corporation on the planet, Google has made my life better. I suspect the same is true for a lot of people.

When people like you constantly attack an organization that is increasingly useful to everyone else's well being, what else is that but paranoia?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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post #177

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413 tabs?? why?

Why not? That's the way I use the web. If i need it at some point the next week I don't close it.

Why not? Because finding an open tab is an O(N) problem, whereas searching bookmarks is O(1).

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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That's some sensationalism there. A web browser is probably the least sticky software application you could conceive of. Switching from one browser to the next can typically be done in minutes, so reading something like > So if you want an Internet --- which means, in many ways, a world --- that isn't controlled by Google, you must stop using Chrome now makes me think the author of the article has a huge chip on his…

> A web browser is probably the least sticky software application you could conceive of

For an individual, maybe. But if 99% of users are on Chrome, sites will target Chrome-specific features and the web "won't work" on other browsers. That's when you get lock-in.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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Remember the early 2000 days? When Internet Explorer had a 95%+ market share? Well look at where we are now... we have a somewhat diverse market with IE, Chrome, Firefox, Opera and Safari. Not counting some other new and upcoming browsers such as Midori. The browser market has a healthy competition and can fix itself if one player is abusing their power. If you belive that Chrome is a threat to your privacy, feel fre…

> The browser market has a healthy competition and can fix itself if one player is abusing their power. If you belive that Chrome is a threat to your privacy, feel free to use Firefox or something else.

Are you trying to disagree with the OP? Because he's saying "the browser market should fix itself via you choosing Firefox because Chrome is a threat to your privacy."

He's saying "we should do X because Y", and you're saying "no, everything is fine because we can do X if Y".

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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In fact, the infamous memory leak Firefox was 'famous' for was fixed in version 2.5 which tells me that anyone who still complains of memory leaks in Firefox is one who you do not want to listen to for advice. EDIT: I may have the version number wrong, it's been a long time, and, yes, the "leak" was a combination of things and not just one thing but my point is the same.

What makes you so sure that there was ever only one memory leak? What makes you so sure that one or more new ones haven't been introduced since then? I've seen and heard a lot of reports from many different Firefox users about Firefox using an unreasonably large amount of memory, even when using fresh installations of the most recent version, and when engaging in very reasonable browsing patterns. As a software devel…

Once again, nobody is denying anything about memory problems. But there are two things at play here:

1. One person's experience is not universal. With a web browser as customizable as Firefox, there will be certain configurations causing problems that aren't caught by tests or by dogfooding. Some people are probably seeing leaks that users with a default configuration don't see. For example: https://blog.mozilla.org/nnethercote/2014/08/15/the-story-of...

2. People need to report their problems in ways that are actionable. HN is not a bug tracker. If somebody on HN (Hacker News! News for programmers who presumably know how a bug tracker works!) is having memory issues, (s)he should have no problems filing a bug in Bugzilla. Firefox has had about:memory for years now; save that report and attach it to your bug.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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I think this is going to anger a lot of people and gets downvoted into oblivion. But I will say this anyway. Open Web, Javascript Only world, and Patents free video codec etc, doesn't matter to 98% of the users online. It is a very noble thing to do, but most users dont care. Do i care? I do, but none of these are going to pull users away from Chrome. As a matter of fact, if Firefox didn't have a bunch of loyal fans,…

> Open Web, Javascript Only world, and Patents free video codec etc, doesn't matter to 98% of the users online. It is a very noble thing to do, but most users dont care.

"Fighting pollution is a noble thing to do, but most users don't care. They just want fast cars."

Users don't understand enough to care. That doesn't excuse us who do understand from caring.

The web that users love today is possible because of ideals like interoperability which they don't understand.

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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post #17

As someone who switches browsers about every six months, I feel that Firefox is still quite a bit behind in terms of stability and performance. I mostly blame the single-process model, which makes crashes and hangups way more global than they should be in 2014. On Windows, there's also the 32-bit issue. On machines with 8+ GB of RAM, having all tabs share a 2 GB address space just doesn't cut it. Especially when your…

I disagree. I'm having to force quit Chrome about 5 times a day on OSX and it breaks with amazing regularity on my android phone. Not joking but Firefox just works for me. It's annoying because, despite warning to the contrary here, the Google ecosystem just works.

Not sure if you're trolling? You say chrome breaks 5 times day, and then later in the same post say the Google ecosystem just works.

Seriously, what are you trying to say?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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post #253

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I also keep several hundreds of tabs open for months on end. I use Firefox and have simply accepted that it will crash about four times per day, requiring me to wait a few minutes while it restarts and reloads the tabs.

You can set Firefox to only reload tabs on access.

I think that's the way my browser is set up, but there's still a huge spike in internet connections whenever I restart it. Maybe Firefox doesn't load every tab, but still loads one page per open browser window, and it feels slow because I sometimes have 30-40 windows open?

Re: Choose Firefox Now, Or Later You Won't Get A Choice

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post #110

Developers, please stop making add-ons and extensions for Google products. You accelerate Google's domination and vendor lock-in when you do.

What are we to do? We build data visualization software, but firefox is REALLY slow at rendering SVG (so no d3 for us). We have a choice of asking our customers to run ie11 or chrome, since both run quickly. We would recommend firefox, since we really like the Mozilla foundation, but the performance of it is so bad we have to steer people away from it. It is a sad state of affairs.

Have you filed any bugs for it?
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