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Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by munk-a »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #285
pfisch wrote: post #276

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You can't buy an iphone with this functionality, and many people are locked into that walled garden for a lot of different reasons.

That's fine, but even among Android users, nobody buys these removable battery phones. It's possible there's a disproportionate reservoir of iPhone&removable battery-only consumers, but it would surprise me if the desire for a reusable battery were strongly correlated with being locked into the Apple ecosystem. If anything, I would expect the propensity to desire removable batteries is more strongly correlated with A…

There are a plethora of reasons to prefer one phone to another and while removable battery phones exist if that's a strict criteria for you the market of available devices is extremely limited. Consumers don't have a real choice here.

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Post by anonymars »

matchbok3 wrote: post #153
anonymars wrote: post #89

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So you're suggesting we all just need to buy exclusively flip phones for a few years to send the market a signal that it wants replaceable batteries. Then the free market will do its thing and keep the engine of innovation running Speaking of which, does anyone want to do a list of "features added to smartphones over the last 10 years" vs "features removed from smartphones over the last 10 years" so we can see just w…

I'm not suggesting anything, I'm simply offering the reality of the smartphone market. What you are suggesting is a contrived, exaggerated take of how markets function. People generally like small, thin phones, as evidenced by the billions sold. It really isn't much more complicated than that.

That's an interesting assertion given that phones have gotten progressively larger and the iPhone Mini was phased out

Maybe it is more complicated than that

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Post by encom »

badsectoracula wrote: post #191
ratiolat wrote: post #44

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IP68, replaceable battery, phone jack, 5G: https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.php

Unfortunately it is from 2022, meaning no OS upgrades. I think the next mandatory laws EU should pass is that manufacturers should either allow people to upgrade/replace the OS by themselves or provide mandatory upgrades for the next decade (i don't care how the manufacturers handle it, that's up to them, but the easiest way out of such a law is to allow people upgrade/replace the OS by themselves).

>Unfortunately it is from 2022, meaning no OS upgrades.

False. This is my work phone and the last update was less than a month ago. It's still supported.

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Post by exe34 »

joe_mamba wrote: post #65
exe34 wrote: post #59

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technically you're meant to replace the rubber ring around it, but yes, not hard to do.

I actually never did. I think you're only supposed to replace it on those scuba-style watches with screw-on casebacks that shred the gasket when fully tightened to ensure a tight seal. But on those watches with 4 screws on the case, the gasket seemed fine to me to keep reusing.

Worse than I thought: https://support.casio.com/en/support/answer.php?cid=00900101...

"• To maintain water resistance, have the gaskets of your watch replaced periodically (about once every two or three years)."

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Post by mghackerlady »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #270
elzbardico wrote: post #264

Unless you have giant hands, with modern screen sizes, thinner devices are not merely a luxury. For people that have active outdoor lives, water resistance is also non-negotiable. The only thing that you should care about if you are being pratical and not just an annoying nagging geek, is that you are not forced to use an authorized reseller to buy a replacement battery, and that batteries can be bought from third pa…

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Exactly. I'd buy an iPad if I wanted thin and big

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Post by criddell »

washingupliquid wrote: post #3

...and Apple will be exempt due to a loophole in the law (80% after 1k cycles) making the law utterly pointless.

Are you sure the loophole exists?

AFAIK, this is the regulation:

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/reg/2023/1542/oj/eng

I don't see that exemption listed. The other ones are, but not that one.

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Post by boxed »

dml2135 wrote: post #296
yason wrote: post #288

In principle, this is the kind of right sentiment but for the wrong things. I can't remember a phone that died because of the battery since the era of Ni-Cd cells in early cell phones. I don't think I've never discarded a phone with a li-ion battery because of the battery. It's always physical breakage or getting too slow to be usable, because of age. Sure, I don't spend a cycle per day. Not even every other day. Tha…

> getting too slow to be usable Not sure what the behavior is like on Android, but iOS will throttle performance if your battery has degraded past a certain state. So I'm sure that there are many iPhone users that are replacing their phone due to what they think is poor performance related to the age of the phone, when it's really due to the age of the battery.

I think the iPhone will warn you if your battery performance is significantly degraded?

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Post by grey-area »

manoDev wrote: post #243
elzbardico wrote: post #200

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External battery banks are a far superior solution now that almost everything has standardized on USB and we have power banks supporting high speed charging. They can be charged with the same power adapter you use to charge your phone, without the need of an extra docking thing. They can be used to charge any USB-chargeable device. They are not tied to your specific model, and thus you're not vendor locked with them,…

Lots of advantages, but one major downside: you can't pop the empty battery, put a new one and keep working. There's a reason professional devices (e.g. cameras) still have replaceable batteries.

But you can plug in the battery pack and keep working…

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Post by detourdog »

alt227 wrote: post #250
detourdog wrote: post #211

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Fine with me purchase any phone with that feature you want.

Apologies, my coment came off a bit unecessarily aggressive. It is my preference to have user replaceable batteries, and my belief is that they were only removed to make phones become obselete quicker and cause higher turnover of purchased phones. No amount of battery packs can bring that back.

No apologies needed. The market is just not working in your favor.

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

munk-a wrote: post #301
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's fine, but even among Android users, nobody buys these removable battery phones. It's possible there's a disproportionate reservoir of iPhone&removable battery-only consumers, but it would surprise me if the desire for a reusable battery were strongly correlated with being locked into the Apple ecosystem. If anything, I would expect the propensity to desire removable batteries is more strongly correlated with A…

There are a plethora of reasons to prefer one phone to another and while removable battery phones exist if that's a strict criteria for you the market of available devices is extremely limited. Consumers don't have a real choice here.

I would expect that one of the main reasons that people prefer non-removable battery phones are the engineering tradeoffs inherent in making a phone with a removable battery. They will have strictly less choice on this axis when they no longer have the option to buy a non-removal battery phone.
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