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Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by voidUpdate »

p_ing wrote: post #272
voidUpdate wrote: post #131

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React is a javascript library. Javascript needs its own runtime. Why not just write stuff in native windows controls and save having to run an entire javascript runtime for no reason?

.NET Framework needs its own runtime. Java needs its own runtime. What's the issue?

I have no issue with user-facing applications doing whatever they want, electron apps bundle an entire chromium to do their thing, but there's a win32 and win64 api in C for a reason, to make OS level stuff fast

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Post by kakacik »

exceptione wrote: post #249
alexb_ wrote: post #120

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Most people want a computer that works with their software. No, "learn the FOSS version" is not a solution. Especially because nearly everyone has some niche thing they like, some 5% that isn't covered by the FOSS solutions, that only a niche Windows program can actually do correctly. And that doesn't even get into gaming.

Cool. Windows can't do 99% of the things I and anyone not grasping at straws can do with Linux. It is getting tiring, I don't say Linux is perfect, but KDE has been better than Windows for years, Linux doesn't bit rot like an average Windows install and Linux is in practice surprisingly more stable, but no-no-no, Linux can't be this time again. Quick... ehm "there is a piece of software that only works on Windows". H…

No need for such childish reaction, dismissing other's viewpoints achieves nothing for your side of arguments, at least nothing good and one of the reasons some skilled folks won't migrate, we have enough toxic communities elsewhere.

Also quite a few inaccuracies - what the heck is 'bit rot' on windows? I had 1 same Windows 10 install running on desktop for 8 years as primary personal PC and installed tons of software and games, both official and... some other types. 0 issues.

On laptop whole lifetime with original install is the default for everybody I know, for me 6-7 years (simply the length of ownership). We don't talk about Windows 95 or ME era here where frequent installs were basically mandatory and a well-practiced chore.

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Post by someguyiguess »

general1465 wrote: post #102
mexicocitinluez wrote: post #42

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Blaming React is absurd. Its like blaming the screwdriver instead of the person using it.

Blaming React is correct. It is like asking for a picture on a wall and instead getting noisy, power hungry plasma TV on a wall.

I recently began developing an app for Xbox Series X/S. The only framework that will work is UWP. When you look at the UWP docs, this is at the top of the page highlighted "If you are starting to develop Windows apps, we recommend you consider using the Windows App SDK, and WinUI rather than UWP. Although still supported, UWP is not under active development. Please see Start developing Windows apps for more information."

So no, React is a (poor) solution, not the problem. The problem is Windows can't nail down a solid SDK for it's platforms.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by krige »

wildrhythms wrote: post #122
zabzonk wrote: post #97

> injected advertisements into the Windows 11 Start menu's "Recommended" section. These showed up labeled "Promoted" and pushed apps like Opera browser and some password manager nobody asked for. And the Start menu was just one surface, they also placed ads on the lock screen, in the Settings homepage hawking Game Pass subscriptions sorry, I have never seen these supposed ads in win11. the lock screen does display ic…

>sorry, I have never seen these supposed ads in win11 It's a setting called "Get fun facts, tips, tricks, and more on your lock screen", and it's checked by default.

Ah, it's available only if you pick a specific wallpaper image, that's why not everyone sees it.

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Post by kakacik »

bonoboTP wrote: post #229
dahcryn wrote: post #80

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6k would be a no-brainer. In our office, we'd definitely need the enterprise version for compliance reasons, not because of the features. That's about 14/user/month. At a workforce of roughly 2500, that's a 4million+ yearly cost for something that is comparable to something you can get without that pricetag. It's no competition at all at that point. Think about it, would you be willing to ask your boss to pay 4 milli…

That would be 420k/yr. To get to 4 million you need 25000 users. That's quite a big company.

So cca 16 million $ yearly for my corporation... Nobody is going to approve that, thats a ridiculous sum. There must be massive discounts above certain threshold.

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Post by pixelmelt »

falcor84 wrote: post #268
bonoboTP wrote: post #207

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What percentage of MS Office user can, in your estimation, complete the steps as described in this readme? https://github.com/winapps-org/winapps

I know it's a bit ironic given TFA's focus on shoving Copilot and Recall down users' throats, but I really do believe that an OS-level AI agent could solve these usability issues. We need to solve a lot of trust issues, but the capabilities are essentially already there for a non-technical user to tell a Samantha-like OS AI "please get this working", and it will.

I've already been doing this haha, got Claude to install VR mods into a game that most certainly should not have been working with VR mods on linux

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by someguyiguess »

voidUpdate wrote: post #131
anthonylevine wrote: post #124

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> a ridiculous electric screwdriver So React, the most popular front-end library and used my hundreds of thousands of successful apps, is the ridiculous electric screwdriver? See how weird that sounds and makes it obvious you guys can't give an honest assessment?

React is a javascript library. Javascript needs its own runtime. Why not just write stuff in native windows controls and save having to run an entire javascript runtime for no reason?

Only someone who has not tried to write stuff in "native windows" would ask this question. If you want a real answer, go try and develop a Windows native application real quick. I'll wait...
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