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Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

Havoc wrote: post #48

Their office subscriptions are also going up in price at. Crazy rates. Giving Stiff competition to food price inflation All because it has some AI stuff on it that I don’t want.

Funny thing: I wanted to try out Copilot to help with creating a starting point for a diagram in Visio.

Copilot isn't in Visio (at least in the subscription my work pays for).

I used Copilot's chat interface instead, and it is unable to generate a diagram in the Visio .vsdx format; it tried, failed, tried to fix it, failed.

Sigh.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by general1465 »

mexicocitinluez wrote: post #42
dude250711 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think managers were promoted for infecting their features with Copilot, and developers for infecting them with React, and here we are. OneDrive managers on the other hand are one step away from inventing some way of adding a gacha mechanic.

Blaming React is absurd. Its like blaming the screwdriver instead of the person using it.

Blaming React is correct. It is like asking for a picture on a wall and instead getting noisy, power hungry plasma TV on a wall.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by Ekaros »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #71
joe_mamba wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep, the amount of penny pinching some companies do nowadays is insane. Teams coming "for free" with their Microsoft 365 subscription is net positive for the bean counters.

Chat software is absurdly expensive. I’m not saying teams is good, but being nickel and dimed is a real risk for businesses too.

18€ a month per user for Business+ with Slack... I really do question whole thing... Ofc, when someone is making quarter to half a million paying twenty for basic cup of coffee is nothing. But still whole thing for chat application seems absolutely insane.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by Ranxer »

jeppester wrote: post #51
Macha wrote: post #7

It’s quite common for companies to work their way up to the line of the most user hostile version of their product that users will tolerate. Especially with software where they can just go flip a switch and turn off whatever feature did cross the line but keep everything they gained by inching up to the line, which seems to inevitably result in things like the condition of windows 11. I think the only way this gets b…

The only way this get better is if the user gets to choose between an OS with ads, lock-in, telemetry etc. and then one with none of that. As it is now, buying a laptop in a store is a "pick your poison" situation.

Better yet: don't pick any poison at all -- both System76 and Tuxedo Computers (as examples, sometimes you can buy a latop without an OS and save the money, same goes for PCs) offer laptops with Linux installed: no Microslop tax, and hardware that's guaranteed to work with OSS.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by someguyiguess »

stndef wrote: post #18
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Beating is a normal English idiom. While I do sympathize with anyone suffering from abuse, I highly doubt anyone is actually suffering from use of the word.

I'm willing to be wrong, but it's specifically mentioned as an analogy for abuse in the article itself. Not trying to turn everything "woke", but phrasing of scenarios around this just takes away from the severity of what actual abuse is.

It’s actually more triggering / offensive that you brought up abuse when no one was talking about abuse. This site is for adults who understand the concept of analogies. You just wanted to bring up the topic of abuse for whatever reason. Why?

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by account42 »

Draiken wrote: post #85
baq wrote: post #22

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> It’s quite common for companies to work their way up to the line of the most user hostile version of their product that users will tolerate. this is in general how the market for pretty much everything works (sometimes 'users' are replaced by 'the regulator', but it doesn't matter too much). lesson in there is 'majority of users don't care nearly as much as you think', usually.

I don't think "care" is the right word here at all. We simply don't have options. This is capitalism's biggest flaw: it's based on the assumption that there will be competition, but competition eventually leads to winners that then consolidate their positions and we end up with no real choices. You're telling me people would pick a worse OS because they don't care even if they had real options? I don't believe that f…

Right, and even when there are options that doesn't mean you actually get to choose what you want for all things you care about, e.g. there might be option A with feature a (e.g. no ads) and option B with feature b (e.g. no vendor lock in) but none with both a and b - so you only really get a choice for the things you care most about. Which is effectively why gradual enshittification is effective: Most users will put up with minor anti-features rather than jump to a different platform that will require new programs and/or relearning.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by m4rtink »

mkl wrote: post #81
alex_duf wrote: post #61

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have you thought about switching to another OS?

Unfortunately Linux doesn't run well on my Microsoft Surface Pro 4 (which is perfectly functional other than the lack of Windows security updates). I'm very unlikely to buy or recommend a Microsoft computer again, even though I liked the hardware.

Looks like your device is supported & has been for a while ?

https://www.reddit.com/r/SurfaceLinux/comments/nwr4kd/best_d...

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by Ekaros »

throwa356262 wrote: post #46
ptero wrote: post #11

Microsoft lost its way much earlier than 4 years ago. It abused users at the time of Netscape wars and forcing Internet Explorer down people's throats. But they hit an infinite gold mine with government adoption and for the last 30 years no amount of bad engineering was able to shake off government use. Windows 11 is bad? Yes, but did you try Microsoft Teams? The only way to force Microsoft into "users matter" engine…

Am I the only one who prefers Teams to the Slack and Zoom? The ability to write in the meeting chat before and after a meeting for example. That is some serious quality of life function that all others are lacking.

I haven't had that many issues on Windows "native" client. So I really don't get what the critical issue is... To me it has long looked like good enough.

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by edgyquant »

mexicocitinluez wrote: post #88
etiennebausson wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He isn't blaming React (or Copilot), but those who used them in context they had no place in.

"developers with infecting then with React" is 100% blaming React

No it’s directly putting the blame on developers

Re: Microsoft's "fix" for Windows 11

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Post by goalieca »

dude250711 wrote: post #21
Macha wrote: post #7

It’s quite common for companies to work their way up to the line of the most user hostile version of their product that users will tolerate. Especially with software where they can just go flip a switch and turn off whatever feature did cross the line but keep everything they gained by inching up to the line, which seems to inevitably result in things like the condition of windows 11. I think the only way this gets b…

I think managers were promoted for infecting their features with Copilot, and developers for infecting them with React, and here we are. OneDrive managers on the other hand are one step away from inventing some way of adding a gacha mechanic.

So you’re saying that the people (HR) team is responsible and that their retention and growth policies are to blame.
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