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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by 0zemp1c »

browningstreet wrote: post #254
traveler01 wrote: post #127

Google constant failure astonish me. How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I kept reading news about Google's AI programs, how the hell was Microsoft with OpenAI that came up with the biggest hit in AI? Also, how does Google want people to use their new services if they keep closing them down after their "failure" (a.k.a Google com…

Watched the 60 Minutes interview with Pichai last night. He’s really… unimpressive. He shouldn’t be doing MSM interviews if that’s the tenor of his performance. Google is supposed to be a technical firebrand and their cloud isn't dominant, and their AI product and market position got punk'd by Microsoft... and he's out there saying things like AI will be a bigger discovery than fire. Which calls into question: so why…

he's a good choice for "Good Times"...when the money is rolling in and you're on top, it is okay to have an inoffensive friendly supportive type in the CEO chair

those times are gone though and Google definitely needs someone more proactive and focused

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by JohnFen »

browningstreet wrote: post #254
traveler01 wrote: post #127

Google constant failure astonish me. How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I kept reading news about Google's AI programs, how the hell was Microsoft with OpenAI that came up with the biggest hit in AI? Also, how does Google want people to use their new services if they keep closing them down after their "failure" (a.k.a Google com…

Watched the 60 Minutes interview with Pichai last night. He’s really… unimpressive. He shouldn’t be doing MSM interviews if that’s the tenor of his performance. Google is supposed to be a technical firebrand and their cloud isn't dominant, and their AI product and market position got punk'd by Microsoft... and he's out there saying things like AI will be a bigger discovery than fire. Which calls into question: so why…

> Google is supposed to be a technical firebrand

They used to be, but they haven't been that for a long, long time.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by qwertox »

htag wrote: post #289
qwertox wrote: post #286

Up until ChatGPT, Bing was meaningless to me; Google Search served all my needs. I never had a reason to look over to Bing. The only contact I had with it was when something embedded their maps. But now, with the AI integration, even when I tried it and left disappointed, Bing is starting to sound interesting. Then there's how they are starting to integrate AI into their other products and putting a lot of good effor…

> But now, with the AI integration, even when I tried it and left disappointed, Bing is starting to sound interesting. When I try a new feature, and am disappointed, I think marketing overhyped it and lose interest. Why do you think ChatGPT + Search is a good combo, even after you were disappointed when trying it?

They are showing that they have a strong interest in including it. Sure, it still isn't where I'd like it to be, but what does Google have to offer?

Bard is US-only, so not reachable for me, I don't even know how or if it is integrated into Google Search. They'd have a bigger potential in enriching their search with AI features, better search, probably a better AI. At least from what they have been publishing during these past two years, they seem to have gathered a lot of experience with AI.

In regards to Bing, I felt like you.com had a slightly better AI integration.

What ChatGPT lacks are links to related websites. For example, give me a links to the documentation of the `.into()` trait [0] instead of "only" explaining it to me.

[0] https://doc.rust-lang.org/std/convert/trait.Into.html

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by rcme »

makeitdouble wrote: post #209
dheera wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a stripped down OS running only a web browser and a bunch of webapps, not a real OS. Another one of those Google fantasies that failed to understand normal people.

That might have been true years ago. It's currently leagues ahead of any other OS outside of Windows and Mac. It's still limited and quirky, but pretty much covers the basic needs of "normal" people.

> It's currently leagues ahead of any other OS outside of Windows and Mac.

Is ChromeOS really leagues ahead of Linux on the desktop? And other than Linux, how many other desktop OSes are there?

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by JohnFen »

eldaisfish wrote: post #220
sho_hn wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's very little value in the Linux desktop There's a tremendous amount of value in the Linux desktop. It's used to do amazing things every day. What you mean is that it's very hard to turn it into a business model, which I'd agree with. But these are not the same in the world.

To you and me, sure, there is value in a linux desktop. To the average user, linux is not in any state to be a useable, daily driver desktop. Where it works, it is the exception, not the norm. Taking linux and turning it into a business model can be done - see valve and the steam deck. Granted, that is gaming-only but it can be done. The #1 problem with the linux desktop is that there is no single linux desktop and t…

> To the average user, linux is not in any state to be a useable, daily driver desktop.

I've switched about a dozen average users to Linux from Windows, and they have all been happy with the change and have not switched back.

Based on that, I say that Linux absolutely is usable as a daily driver desktop. The only place I can see where Linux might not be the right choice is with a certain class of gamer -- but those gamers are not "average users".

> The #1 problem with the linux desktop is that there is no single linux desktop

That's a strength, not a weakness. For the user want a windows-like desktop? Done. Does the user want something more to their style of working? Done. Not being locked into the desktop means that if your objection to desktop linux is the UX, there's probably a different desktop that will make you happier.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by nickv »

gsatic wrote: post #198
traveler01 wrote: post #127

Google constant failure astonish me. How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I kept reading news about Google's AI programs, how the hell was Microsoft with OpenAI that came up with the biggest hit in AI? Also, how does Google want people to use their new services if they keep closing them down after their "failure" (a.k.a Google com…

Google is not going anywhere and they will easily replicate anything OpenAI does. Its not that magical. Why they still rely on search/advertising is well known - Replacing a 150 Billion $$$ source of revenue is not a simple thing. Its like trying to replace everything ppl do in a midsized rich country with something else. And compared to Facebook which is still 99% dependent on Ads, Google is much more diversified (t…

>>Why they still rely on search/advertising is well known - Replacing a 150 Billion $$$ source of revenue is not a simple thing.

You just described The Innovators Dilemma. You'd hope Google, considering how everyone reveres how well run it is would find ways to avoid it, but they didn't not. You know who used to avoid the Innovators Dilemma amazingly well? Apple. You know who does it really well now? Microsoft. They literally killed their OS revenue to grow the company. That's the equivalent of Google killing their search revenue for something new. It's hard to do, but you have to do it in tech.

>>And compared to Facebook which is still 99% dependent on Ads, Google is much more diversified (total revenue is north of 250 billion). They have cloud, youtube, docs, google play, all the alphabet experiments etc.

In 2022, Google was 80%+ directly dependent on Ads for revenue, and 10.3% indirectly dependent on it. Sure, Google does a lot of things but 90.3% of the actual money that keeps the lights on is advertising. Their revenue mix is extremely similar to Meta.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by warner25 »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #167
anonzzzies wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Besides gaming people, I know very few people who need more. And gaming with webgl goes pretty far too. I think it works quite well; I don’t like it, or rather, actually hate it; I like optimal software against the hardware, but that is such a niche now. So just running everything in a browser is simply realistic and enough for most of the population. I think it sells quite well as well. I have a Chromebook which was…

Even gen-z still build their own PCs. It isn't as niche as often said. They would laugh in your face with the worst insults a 16 year old teenager can come up with if you offer them a chromebook. They would sell it to their wine-aunt (who happens to not run non-emulator windows emulators on Linux). Sure, they also play Pokemon Go... although partially because they are not sitting in front of their PCs. Large market b…

This is interesting insight. So Chromebooks aren't cool? I guess I can see that when every school is issuing Chromebooks to the kids these days. I remember Mac computers being uncool when I was a kid because that's what we had in the school computer lab in the 1990s, and they were locked down enough that it wasn't easy to do fun things on them.

"Wine-aunt" is new to me too, and funny (after looking up what it means).

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by surgical_fire »

ThrowawayTestr wrote: post #211
kramerger wrote: post #7

Wait, people actually use the android search box? It's usually the first thing I remove

How do you search on your phone? Open the web browser, navigate to google.com and enter your query?

Not GP, but I open the browser (in my case Vivaldi) and type my query in the address box.

My default search engine on Vivaldi is DDG, it issues a query to DDG.

Do you actually use the default google shit widget to do web searches?

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Post by rvnx »

KRAKRISMOTT wrote: post #269
bdavisx wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes them "wonderful engineers"? The vast majority are very smart, and obviously can code 'leet code like no tomorrow, but that doesn't make them wonderful. Remember when the person who created homebrew couldn't get a job at google. That person created software used by a lot of people. He saw something that "needed fixing" and he fixed it. He fixed it so well a bunch of other people started using his fix. That'…

Ignore the engineers for now, Google is chock full of product manager. What the hell have they been doing?

Messengers.
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