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Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by tough »

ralfd wrote: post #151
detourdog wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My computer literate but non-technical wife just noticed yesterday that google searches are a waste of time compared to ChatGPT. Over the course of about six hours it went from this thing is amazing to this stupid thing knows I'm on a Mac but still refers to F11 keys. She even got ChatGPT to re-enforce she was on Mac and didn't have an F11 key but never got a substitute key to use for Mac users. (F11 is volume down o…

What does F11 do?

I dunno but in a mac kb you just press fn (down left) while the special function keys, to have them act as regular -ol f1--12 keys

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by pmlnr »

simula67 wrote: post #21

I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively. They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something) and then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce. This is precisely what Microsoft did to Google. They had Bing running in the background…

>One of the reasons for Google getting so good early on was that they had oodles of usage data to test and improve their search functionality forming a positive feedback loop

???

PageRank. It was PageRank, and the fact that they didn't rely on the lies put into tags. There was no feedback loop at that point.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by collaborative »

simula67 wrote: post #21

I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively. They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something) and then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce. This is precisely what Microsoft did to Google. They had Bing running in the background…

I created AISearch.vip but honestly I am now going to open source it and make it a locally run stand-alone AI search engine because it's absurd having to call OpenAI APIs in the backend when I can let the user run it with their own API keys

There's no moat in anything AI, but MS gets OpenAI access at a discount and therefore will win

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by asddubs »

candiddevmike wrote: post #80
simula67 wrote: post #21

I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively. They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something) and then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce. This is precisely what Microsoft did to Google. They had Bing running in the background…

Why hasn't Canonical been acquired yet?

maybe shuttleworth is not interested in selling?

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by sho_hn »

PlutoIsAPlanet wrote: post #39
simula67 wrote: post #21

I always thought that Google made a big blunder by not encroaching upon Microsoft's turf more aggressively. They should have tried to make a better desktop OS (just buy Canonical or something) and then eat into Microsoft Office market share by releasing Google Office for Desktop. Wait for an opportunity to emerge and then pounce. This is precisely what Microsoft did to Google. They had Bing running in the background…

> just buy Canonical or something Canonical doesn't really make any things that are considered part of a desktop OS. Ubuntu is just a package (and some argue a bad one) of things made by other people. There's very little value in the Linux desktop and I don't see that changing anytime soon. You're probably best re-inventing the wheel if you want a Windows competitor, like Google did with ChromeOS.

> There's very little value in the Linux desktop

There's a tremendous amount of value in the Linux desktop. It's used to do amazing things every day.

What you mean is that it's very hard to turn it into a business model, which I'd agree with. But these are not the same in the world.

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Post by 8jef »

muyuu wrote: post #143
gspencley wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of Android is licensed under the Apache 2.0 license. So while the word "owns" is true in a technical legal sense, there is nothing to prevent anyone from forking it and doing their own thing. Unlike with GPL code, they don't even need to license their changes under the same license as long as they abide the terms with respects to the original. Personally I use GrapheneOS in order to "de-Google" without switching…

I've been looking at it. Ironically, you needed a Google Pixel to run it last I checked, right?

And a recent one that is. Almost as funny as having to buy a macbook to run linux.....

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by scarface74 »

Gustomaximus wrote: post #171
traveler01 wrote: post #127

Google constant failure astonish me. How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I kept reading news about Google's AI programs, how the hell was Microsoft with OpenAI that came up with the biggest hit in AI? Also, how does Google want people to use their new services if they keep closing them down after their "failure" (a.k.a Google com…

> so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I get the essence of the comment and agree somewhat, but also feel; There are plenty of other areas driving big revenue like adsense, youtube, play store, cloud and pixel. I dont feel its fair to compare revenue to these in the same level of search. Search was a true unicorn business and took over the world, there only so man…

> There are plenty of other areas driving big revenue like adsense, youtube, play store, cloud and pixel.

YouTube is still estimated to be barely above break even, GCP is losing money and if you look at the estimated Pixel sells annually of around 5 million a year is about how many iPhones Apple sells in three weeks.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by londons_explore »

londons_explore wrote: post #179
traveler01 wrote: post #127

Google constant failure astonish me. How a company with so much money, so many wonderful engineers can't produce a source of income other than the search engine? I kept reading news about Google's AI programs, how the hell was Microsoft with OpenAI that came up with the biggest hit in AI? Also, how does Google want people to use their new services if they keep closing them down after their "failure" (a.k.a Google com…

It's all a shortcoming of management and incentives. They have plenty of smart people, plenty of amazing tech, but they are 100% failing to deploy the right people on building the right products for the right customers.

They also don't give enough polish to their products.

For example, the Nexus 5 (2013!) had a bug - if you took 7 photos in quick succession, it wouldn't save photo 3 and 4. For example, you're photographing someone doing a dance, and you want a photo on each beat, so you tap the shutter to the beat of the music.

On a 2022 Pixel 7, 10 years on...... The exact same bug.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by makeitdouble »

dheera wrote: post #72
esprehn wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't tell if your sarcasm is top notch, but isn't Chromebooks and GSuite (docs, sheets, slides) exactly the thing you describe?

That's a stripped down OS running only a web browser and a bunch of webapps, not a real OS. Another one of those Google fantasies that failed to understand normal people.

That might have been true years ago. It's currently leagues ahead of any other OS outside of Windows and Mac. It's still limited and quirky, but pretty much covers the basic needs of "normal" people.

Re: Samsung considers moving to Bing as default search engine

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Post by hbn »

AlexandrB wrote: post #145

Microsoft is a shark and they smell blood in the water right now. While I hate their products, I have to admire their decision making. For example, I think they see the threat that SteamDeck poses (Linux gaming becoming feasible) and are already working to head it off at the pass: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/04/handheld-mode-for-wi...

I'm not sure that's a great example of quick-pivot defensive decision-making on Microsoft's part. It was just a leaked slide deck of a hackathon project done by a few employees. If the project actually gets greenlit and shipped, that's another thing.
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