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Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by mardifoufs »

bee_rider wrote: post #299
mardifoufs wrote: post #295

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Seems to work fine in Canada. We also pay for our IDs, at least here in quebec.

Practically it works fine in many areas of the US as well—just, good areas that don’t want to put up hurdles for voters in the first place. But, give an extremism a means to disenfranchise anybody and they’ll go for it Morally, even if it works out OK, it ought to bug you if you don’t have a cost-free way to vote.

I don't disagree at all to be honest. I don't think voter fraud is an actual concern (if bare mininum measures are taken, like voter registration or even just "checking in" individuals with their adresses), but I think it's weird that it is considered to be such a huge issue in the US when it is actually the norm in most of the world.

Especially since it's usually white people using POCs as almost "noble savages" who can't figure out how to vote, get an ID, or have a drivers license.

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Post by liveoneggs »

zackmorris wrote: post #209

I implemented a Virtual Private Cloud (VPC) on AWS with Elastic Container Service (ECS) using Terraform so that I could run Docker, and it ended up being about 2 orders of magnitude more expensive than Hetzner after all of the services were configured. For example, something as simple as AWS NAT Gateway costs $30 per month, and it can be challenging to get everything right if you don't use one. I haven't tried Heroku…

https://aws.amazon.com/lightsail/

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Post by jjeaff »

5Qn8mNbc2FNCiVV wrote: post #272
nine_k wrote: post #251

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With the peak load being about 10x the still load, the dedicated servers should cost 10% of the cloud version. We'd likely have to have some reserve just in case our marketing and product do so well that the next peak of the load rises higher in absolute terms.

Hybrid approaches are also really good, but I'm gonna be honest: If capital is not an issue and the growth is to be expected, I wouldn't steer into dedicated server region. It's just such an headache if it's not the core business

Dedicated servers are way less of a headache than cloud in my experience. Unless you are talking about buying and building your own hardware, which is a completely separate thing and not generally recommended. You can lease dedicated servers these days as easily as launching a cloud compute instance but way less than half the price. I pay around $265/mo for 32 cores and 128gb of ram with local, dual, mirrored 1tb SSD drives. Looks like a reserved instance with similar performance on AWS would be somewhere around $700/mo.

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Post by nathants »

inelastic rented metal billed by the month is for great good. glad to see more being released.

elastic aws cloud billed by the second is for great good. glad to see this continuing to mature.

neither of these is great when they are idle 90% of the time. one of them is really not great.

why are there so much idle yet paid for resources? it’s complicated, and not for technical reasons.

empty housing is similar.

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Post by elzbardico »

vineyardmike wrote: post #208
sine_break wrote: post #180

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US does not have such cards, that is why they have issues with voter verification. Most countries have free IDs for citizens.

Yes we do have government provided ID cards. Your driver’s license (or if you don’t drive there’s a non-driver version that’s just a card). There is no mandate to get one or carry it (except for driving). We have issues with voter registration because it’s been politicized. Poor people are disproportionately less likely to have ID cards (because it costs money, takes time, and most people get it to drive which is exp…

South American countries with per capita incomes that sometimes are an order of magnitude smaller than the US managed to have national IDs for free to their entire population, and have required voter IDs for decades. This is a mind boggling American superstition, it is not reasonable to suppose that the poors in America are so poor that they can’t have access to something the poor in Peru or Paraguay have.

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Post by BackBlast »

piperswe wrote: post #203
BackBlast wrote: post #20

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I've benchmarked ARM systems vs other processors. On my workload, using Intel as a baseline. AMD under performs relative to standard benchmarks. ARM over performs relative to standard benchmarks. I have seen good performance from Ampere, particularly for the price. However, ARM architecture complicates my workflow significantly. I've found that they are not worth using it right now due to compatibility issues, easier…

I'm curious what distro you're using where there are missing packages. I've never run across missing distro packages on arm64 Debian (which I regularly use at work).

Ubuntu server itself is pretty arm friendly. But there's a LOT of software that doesn't come with the distro's packaging that one might want to run in the cloud. Docker images and vendor hosted package repos. Everyone does this for x86. Very few do it for ARM. And if you want to try to build-from-source, the dependencies of a lot of pieces are often very out of date on ARM.

There is a kind of after market ARM community that occasionally builds these items. But they are generally pretty out of date.

I don't have an issue with the base distro and what it tries to do, but there are so many random pot holes and road blocks that just don't show up for x86.

I have ARM servers running in production now. But I have workloads that aren't reasonable portable to the uArch and I don't force them there.

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Post by Aldipower »

Eduard wrote: post #260
Aldipower wrote: post #218

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This does not pay out in Germany due to the high energy costs in private house holds or office spaces.

With 0.40 EUR/kWh, running a beefy 100 Watt NAS setup will cost 0.96 EUR per day.

Yes, around 30 Euro per month. Now add the hardware costs.. And the internet connection costs (partly).. Anti-theft options.. In my opinion it is cheaper and more reliable to rent another dedicated server at another hoster for this. If you are sitting in Germany.

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Post by stefandesu »

andix wrote: post #125
datenwolf wrote: post #119

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A lot of people confuse the passport (Pass) with the national identity card (Personalausweis). There's no place of residence stated on the German passport, but it is part of the Personalausweis. Since German citizens by law are required to own a Personalausweis (there's no mandate to carry it around, just having it somewhere in a drawer suffices), practically all businesses in Germany do rely on the Personalausweis t…

This is a very German thing. I’ve never seen ID cards from other countries that include an address of residence. Also the obligation to own an ID card is a very foreign concept in most other countries. I had that issue with German companies before, especially those who rarely deal with international customers. For example in Austria only a few people own an ID card (most people have a passport, but not everyone). So…

Apparently, it isn't obligatory to have an ID card here im Germany. My friend researched this last time his ID was about to expire and decided to go with passport only. The only problem is when you have to verify your address, since that's usually done via ID.

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Post by danjac »

martinald wrote: post #283
glutamate wrote: post #279

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A simple single node is often more reliable than a complex fault-tolerant setup. Fewer moving parts mean fewer broken pieces. Similar with security. A simple monolith is more secure than isolated front- and backend.

Agreed entirely for most. I have seen so many insanely complicated and eye wateringly expensive architectures for what are simple web apps on the big clouds. Often the team don't really understand the intricacies of all these services and how they interrelate which causes often cause a lot of stability problems. Even if they don't, there is usually a huge tax on developer productivity with these architectures, which…

People talk about resume-driven development, which is definitely a factor, but there's also fear-driven development - you have a hunch the architecture could be a lot simpler and cheaper, but you don't want to make any criticism in case the others in your team think you are technically ignorant, inexperienced, out of touch etc.

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Post by faeriechangling »

simplotek wrote: post #297
glutamate wrote: post #279

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A simple single node is often more reliable than a complex fault-tolerant setup. Fewer moving parts mean fewer broken pieces. Similar with security. A simple monolith is more secure than isolated front- and backend.

> A simple single node is often more reliable than a complex fault-tolerant setup. ...except when your single piece breaks and you get your whole service down. Then what?

Cluster the node?
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