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Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by maccard »

chpatrick wrote: post #247
nine_k wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cloud is about elasticity. At ${work} we spin up a ton of EC2 instances in anticipation of huge traffic spikes that happen predictably several times a day, in different regions, and spin them down afterwards. It's also about simplicity. Many services come pre-configured on.AWS, with clustering, failover, backups, etc already present. When you are small, you can sysadmin your server fine, and you don't yet need the cl…

How much would it cost to handle your peak load with dedicated servers and no scaling?

Last time I ran the math, it made sense for us to provision bare metal for 70% of our baseload, but our regions skew EU/US

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Post by 5Qn8mNbc2FNCiVV »

nine_k wrote: post #251
chpatrick wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much would it cost to handle your peak load with dedicated servers and no scaling?

With the peak load being about 10x the still load, the dedicated servers should cost 10% of the cloud version. We'd likely have to have some reserve just in case our marketing and product do so well that the next peak of the load rises higher in absolute terms.

Hybrid approaches are also really good, but I'm gonna be honest: If capital is not an issue and the growth is to be expected, I wouldn't steer into dedicated server region. It's just such an headache if it's not the core business

Re: Hetzner Introduces ARM64 Cloud Servers

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Post by nine_k »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #252
nine_k wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cloud is about elasticity. At ${work} we spin up a ton of EC2 instances in anticipation of huge traffic spikes that happen predictably several times a day, in different regions, and spin them down afterwards. It's also about simplicity. Many services come pre-configured on.AWS, with clustering, failover, backups, etc already present. When you are small, you can sysadmin your server fine, and you don't yet need the cl…

Counterpoint: for some years we had clients who happily lived on cheap as fuck plans but requested more at the anticipated calendar events (NY and the like). Most of the time we just removed GHz limits, sometimes adding vCPUs in advance, they fared well. NB: IaaS provider with a guarenteered resources

Yes, if your elasticity requirements are not within hours but within weeks or months, adding and removing capacity can be done by traditional means, even by renting physical servers and putting them into your on-premises racks.

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Post by Deloritoono »

DarkPhily wrote: post #261
Deloritoono wrote: post #238

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Hetzner is great but it's not a good choice for companies which really care. Your data is not encrypted in rest. Their security is not bad but someone can easily plugin whatever they like. Try this at Google. Google not just has much stricter physical access control but also FULL control over the hardware. They know the firmware of the Mainboard. The server don't even unencrypt and start if you move them out of their…

You are really comparing Google, which sells Cloud products, against a company which have a variety of products? If you only compare the cloud products. How do you know that they aren't encrypting their drives? And BTW, they own undersea cables as well ;) https://www.hetzner.com/presse-berichte/2016/01/156818 Please educate yourself before you make such wild claims.

They don't own undersea cables.

They invested in one and it's not stated how much.

And yes I'm comparing google with hetzner as answer to the op to tell him that cloud is more than just cheap compute.

I'm trying to explain why people pay a premium for cloud services and what the difference is.

And I use and like hetzner a lot. I'm happy to use hetzner for plenty of things just not for everything.

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Post by linsomniac »

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #205
fckgw wrote: post #196

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Do you get this indigent over every error message you see?

it’s almost like VPS hosting services have to be careful due to rampant fraud or something

And it's ALWAYS been that way. A very long time ago I implemented a VPS hosting. How long ago? It was implemented using User Mode Linux. I want to say it was 2003. We had most of our success in a specific geographic region, and also within the Python community. We originally had automated sign-up, but found that if we got a signup from someone who's name we didn't recognize, it was basically guaranteed to be fraud.

In the early days it was slightly amusing to get calls from older folks trying to understand what a virtual server was.

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Post by simplotek »

015a wrote: post #263
zackmorris wrote: post #209

I implemented a Virtual Private Cloud (VPC) on AWS with Elastic Container Service (ECS) using Terraform so that I could run Docker, and it ended up being about 2 orders of magnitude more expensive than Hetzner after all of the services were configured. For example, something as simple as AWS NAT Gateway costs $30 per month, and it can be challenging to get everything right if you don't use one. I haven't tried Heroku…

> I can't help but feel that the cloud infrastructure and microservice movement of the 2010s was.. a scam. I think the general consensus is that the most-root cause for why cloud infrastructure and microservice architectures matter is more People, less Technology. Its hard to hire highly experienced people, especially at the hundreds-to-thousands of engineers scale that many companies operate at. That, in isolation,…

> I think the general consensus is that the most-root cause for why cloud infrastructure and microservice architectures matter is more People, less Technology.

Indeed the main selling point of microservices is People, more specifically how to set hard boundaries on responsibilities and accountability while ensuring independent decision-making.

Another important selling point of microservices is flexibility. It's trivial to put together an entirely new service from scratch, written in whatever technology crosses your mind. With microservices you don't even need access to a repo.

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Post by ojosilva »

cellularmitosis wrote: post #233
ojosilva wrote: post #127

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Firstly ARM processors are simpler to produce, with simpler circuitry (RISC!), although the number of transistors tend to be similar between the two platforms. Research costs are also very expensive for x86, with 2 vendors (Intel and AMD) competing savagely in many different markets such as high-end gaming, servers, ultrabooks and low cost PCs. However, ARM (the company) focuses on licensing the designs and instructi…

> simpler circuitry > the number of transistors tend to be similar between the two platforms sorry, come again?

x86 has more pathways (interconnects), x86 implements a "mesh" design, which is a low-latency, high-power configuration of pathways. ARM uses a neat hierarchical design that favors low-power consumption.

So, given a x86 and an ARM chip with the same number of transistors, the ARM one will still be a simpler, low-power chip with probably a higher number of cores.

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Post by simplotek »

RowanH wrote: post #235
andix wrote: post #227

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If there were no microservices, a lot of companies would run their monoliths on a few VMs, with a small fraction of the cost ;)

If it wasn't for a good portion of tech leads FAANG aspirational goals I bet a lot more companies would be on monoliths. It's simply staggering the productivity and cost differences (up to of course a certain point) being on monoliths vs microservices. The discussions on authorisation alone.....

> If it wasn't for a good portion of tech leads FAANG aspirational goals I bet a lot more companies would be on monoliths.

I think you inadvertently pointed out one of the advantages of microservices: the ability to bootstrap ideas without having to be hindered by artificial barriers to entry. If you have an idea and want to show it off, you just implement it and make it available to the public. Call it "aspirational goals", but I don't see any advantage in barring people from providing value without having to wrangle bureaucracies, red tape, and office politics.

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Post by glutamate »

simplotek wrote: post #266
zackmorris wrote: post #209

I implemented a Virtual Private Cloud (VPC) on AWS with Elastic Container Service (ECS) using Terraform so that I could run Docker, and it ended up being about 2 orders of magnitude more expensive than Hetzner after all of the services were configured. For example, something as simple as AWS NAT Gateway costs $30 per month, and it can be challenging to get everything right if you don't use one. I haven't tried Heroku…

> So what's the point of all that? Seriously, one server with 16 cores and the memory bandwidth and storage speed of SSD drives should be able to serve many thousands of simultaneous requests and millions of users per month. I can't help but feel that the cloud infrastructure and microservice movement of the 2010s was.. a scam. You're just missing the whole point of why you need n>1 instances. You're focusing on what…

A simple single node is often more reliable than a complex fault-tolerant setup. Fewer moving parts mean fewer broken pieces.

Similar with security. A simple monolith is more secure than isolated front- and backend.

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Post by kyriakos »

Galaco wrote: post #38

Never figured out how to use Hertzner. Wanted to try since they get such a good reputation on here, but they banned my account when their system presented no way for me to verify my identity. The required either PayPal or passport. I have no PayPal account, and their 3rd party verification system only allows passport from your country of residence (signup requires providing a contact address and they pre fill using t…

I use credit card and was never asked for a passport. That's odd. Been using them for more than 5 years.
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