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Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by 8note »

pyronik19 wrote: post #93
lalaland1125 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The implication that Ukrainian biolabs were developing bioweapons is Russian disinformation. There are biolabs in almost every country. Almost every university will have one for example. https://www.state.gov/the-kremlins-allegations-of-chemical-a... is the full US government statement. Which part do you think is inaccurate?

Here you are perpetuating more western propaganda and potential misinformation. First of all the difference between a "biolab" and a "bioweapons lab" is a semantic difference without actual substance. If covid was released out of the wuhan lab, the now predominate theory, this wasn't a "bioweapons lab" but just a "biolab". What is the practical difference? Fact is, anyone performing research that could be used as a b…

That is to say, all of silicon valley and the FANNGs are digital weapons factories, and YC itself is a weapons company.

Similarly, theres no practical difference between a military and civilian coffee shop, therefore all coffee shops are proper military targets

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Post by 8note »

deworms wrote: post #114

I wonder if they allow to add a narrowing discriminator? What if you posted "death to invading Russian soldiers of Jewish descent"? Even in this simple case it's easy to see how this policy is misguided.

I assume the Russian army still forces Russian Jews to the front of the firing line

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Post by lostlogin »

true_religion wrote: post #266
gruez wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, what's the alternative? Only following US law? That's just going to end up with the service being blocked in other countries. Follow the strictest law? The you end up having to cave to blasphemy laws in despotic countries.

Well, not specific to US law… but it’s good for companies to simply only follow the laws of their own home nation. If this creates an unfair situation, then the country’s can work together to come to consensus. I would love to see the allied governments talk more about trade pacts, and economic issues. As for getting your service blocked, look at the GDPR for example. People will self censor themselves entirely if yo…

This is a terrible idea, and is how the whole ‘flag of convenience’ thing came to exist. Desperate countries will sell their lawmaking to the highest bidder (are you could argue that this already happens with taxation laws).

The idea that a company could do something blatantly illegal in my country because it’s legal someplace else is just crazy. Teslas are made in the US, should they follow US road rules when in left hand driving countries?

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

There's really no reason for Facebook to make this rule specific to Ukraine. If your country has been invaded by a foreign army which is violently attacking civilians with tanks and bombs, it's perfectly reasonable to cheer for the deaths of the invading soldiers.

This is basically analogous to the concept of self-defense. Actually—would it be against Facebook's rules to post about how you fought off someone who tried to break into your house to kill you?

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Post by CyanBird »

TestSIM1 wrote: post #7
lalaland1125 wrote: post #2

Didn't Russia already ban Facebook? What's the point of this legal game?

Here in Russia it's a total clusterfuck at this point. 1) Roscomnadzor bans Twitter in Russia. 2) Russian embassy posts on Twitter claiming Mariupol hospital bombing was faked. It's like: Should we ban Twitter in Russia? Yes. Should we keep posting Russian propaganda on Twitter? Also yes.

Voice of America, RadioFarda, RadioSvoboda and RadioFreeAsia all are by law prohibited to publish their "news" to US public because these disinfo operations are aimed to foreign audiences

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Post by des1nderlase »

true_religion wrote: post #266
gruez wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, what's the alternative? Only following US law? That's just going to end up with the service being blocked in other countries. Follow the strictest law? The you end up having to cave to blasphemy laws in despotic countries.

Well, not specific to US law… but it’s good for companies to simply only follow the laws of their own home nation. If this creates an unfair situation, then the country’s can work together to come to consensus. I would love to see the allied governments talk more about trade pacts, and economic issues. As for getting your service blocked, look at the GDPR for example. People will self censor themselves entirely if yo…

TikTok for example?

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Post by [deleted] »

monklu wrote: post #82
gambler wrote: post #40

If you need to change your platform's rules for literally every major event (elections, Covid, this war) there is something profoundly wrong both with your rules and your platform. There is tremendous value in having actual principles. So many people either forgotten it or never understood that to begin with.

On the contrary, I think this says less about FB, but more so reflects a hypocrisy in "western principles" that many are probably not self-aware of. Let's assume for a second, that FB do not relax their rules for this conflict. Then they would have to ban a whole sleuth of Ukrainian accounts, including many government accounts such as Ministry of Defense, and probably even Zelensky. You don't have to stretch your ima…

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Post by ComradePhil »

trhway wrote: post #179
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #172

Tech companies are making themselves active participants in conflicts involving powerful countries. Sooner or later, one of those countries is going to reach out and strike back in the physical world. It's just a matter of time. When it was little nudges in color revolutions in relatively weak countries, there was not much to worry about. Now? They're playing with fire and the tech folks doesn't seem they have a clue…

>Tech companies are making themselves active participants in conflicts involving powerful countries. sometimes there are situations when one can't be neutral. A genocidal war like the one Russia is waging in Ukraine is such a situation. >Sooner or later, one of those countries is going to reach out and strike back in the physical world. Like Saudis did. So, it is a personal choice of everybody - whether to live by Ru…

> A genocidal war like the one Russia is waging in Ukraine is such a situation.

There is genocidal war in Ukraine that has been going on for decades. Look up the Minsk agreements... or how the Roma people or any other minority groups have been treated in Ukraine: https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/europe-and-central-asia/...

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Post by ahartmetz »

apologiesalso wrote: post #236
hervature wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In case you are unaware, stand-your-ground is a term that allows for deadly force to repel an attacker instead of mandating retreat if it is an option. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

I think most people are okay with that, especially in the west, but I'd say all over the world. But in the west you have strong values of fighting for your freedom, arming yourself, having the right to be armed and to fight for your freedoms and that death is better than surrendering your freedoms.

These are only US traditions, especially about firearms. And if I look at the results, your idealistic and self-confident description seems a bit too positive.
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