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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by Bouncingsoul1 »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #52
danielktdoranie wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure Russia took responsibility for the hospital but my understanding is Russia claims their intelligence was 1.) it was no longer a functioning hospital and 2.) used as a base of operations for the fascist Azov Battalion... not that it didn't happen.

Interesting observation. . . When Crimea was annexed, there were many articles on Azov Battalion and the implications that it was the best thing (capable fighters who will defend the country) and the worst thing (they're Fascists) and how that would play out if Russia invaded. Since the invasion, I haven't seen any articles on the topic and the US media have gone suddenly silent on their involvement. I find it kind o…

"Since the invasion, I haven't seen any articles on the topic and the US media have gone suddenly silent on their involvement." that's just not true pick your favourite search engine and you see articles on this topic from every major outlet.I checked for this Nyt, WP (US) , der spiegel(ger), guardian(uk). You see articles coming up the last 2 weeks, another spike was 2017 and before 2014. I guess if ran an analysis for I'd see spikes mentioning Azov, whenever the Ukranian topic was in the media

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by xdennis »

gambler wrote: post #22
ramesh31 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just a part of Russia's overall playbook. Sow doubt, maintain deniability, gaslight, deflect, and project. It's honestly fascinating to see an entire country treat the global community like an abused spouse.

>Sow doubt, maintain deniability, gaslight, deflect, and project. "Russian restaurant owners in the U.S. say they face harassment over Ukraine war" https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine-russia-restaurants-puti... "Russian businesses in U.S. face threats, vandalism over invasion" https://www.axios.com/russian-businesses-us-vandalism-threat... Social media plays a role here.

Some would say that the invasion plays a bigger role.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by bastawhiz »

PhantomBKB wrote: post #109
monklu wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary, I think this says less about FB, but more so reflects a hypocrisy in "western principles" that many are probably not self-aware of. Let's assume for a second, that FB do not relax their rules for this conflict. Then they would have to ban a whole sleuth of Ukrainian accounts, including many government accounts such as Ministry of Defense, and probably even Zelensky. You don't have to stretch your ima…

They should have kept it quiet in any case. The rhetoric hurts them either way.

Hurts them how?

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by stuckinhell »

gambler wrote: post #40

If you need to change your platform's rules for literally every major event (elections, Covid, this war) there is something profoundly wrong both with your rules and your platform. There is tremendous value in having actual principles. So many people either forgotten it or never understood that to begin with.

“Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” - 1984

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by lm28469 »

lalaland1125 wrote: post #13
VictorPath wrote: post #4

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Call for violence is against Russian soldiers invading Ukraine* I think that additional context is critical

Do they allow call for violence and death threats to these people ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisone...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_rape_and_killings

Asking for a friend

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by kmeisthax »

MisterBastahrd wrote: post #78
mancerayder wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They used to try. Surely you can conceptualize a spectrum whereby on one the one side, people try very hard to be objective and be good at it, then where maybe they try a little less hard, or lack knowledge, or whatnot, and then continuing on the spectrum, where people throw up their hands and proclaim that no one can be objective, so who cares anyway. I cannot accept the framing as only the last one: that we've magi…

No, they didn't. That's my point. One of the most famous scenes in US TV News history was when Walter Kronkite, America's news daddy, finally had enough regarding the bullshit peddled by national television networks regarding the Vietnam war. It was NEVER unbiased. People love to believe that the news USED to be unbiased because the news produced at the time reconciles with their memory of the events they want to bel…

News in that era was "unbiased" mostly because the US government had a soft censorship regime in the form of the FCC and corporate ownership of TV spectrum. Walter Kronkite calling out the government on Vietnam was the exception rather than the norm. What people are remembering isn't "objectivity", it's one particular bias[0] everyone was required to have in journalism - i.e. the illusion of objectivity.

Today's "biased" news is just regression to the American mean. When people got their news from newspapers, almost a century ago, you had similar levels of editorialization, bias, closed-mindedness, clickbait, misinformation, and so on. The "unbiased" era was largely a product of technical limitations that went away with cable, and later the Internet.

[0] Or, more specifically, what Noam Chomsky called the "five filters". See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_model

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by cjbgkagh »

lalaland1125 wrote: post #94
pyronik19 wrote: post #93

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Here you are perpetuating more western propaganda and potential misinformation. First of all the difference between a "biolab" and a "bioweapons lab" is a semantic difference without actual substance. If covid was released out of the wuhan lab, the now predominate theory, this wasn't a "bioweapons lab" but just a "biolab". What is the practical difference? Fact is, anyone performing research that could be used as a b…

Do you have any evidence that the biolabs in Ukraine were performing research that was oriented towards being usable as a weapon? Like what exactly is the claim here about that those labs were doing? Or do you just think any biolab should automatically be assumed to be working on bioweapons? (And that we should ban all biolabs worldwide I guess?)

I think there was a release of docs about using humanized migratory birds to carry disease to specific places. Possibly as a blurred line between studying such mechanisms for defense as opposed to offense. I can’t speak to accuracy of such claims but it does appear that info is being released.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by s1artibartfast »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #52
danielktdoranie wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure Russia took responsibility for the hospital but my understanding is Russia claims their intelligence was 1.) it was no longer a functioning hospital and 2.) used as a base of operations for the fascist Azov Battalion... not that it didn't happen.

Interesting observation. . . When Crimea was annexed, there were many articles on Azov Battalion and the implications that it was the best thing (capable fighters who will defend the country) and the worst thing (they're Fascists) and how that would play out if Russia invaded. Since the invasion, I haven't seen any articles on the topic and the US media have gone suddenly silent on their involvement. I find it kind o…

There was some news covered about a proposed bill stop US military training for the Azov, but pretty quiet after it didn't pass

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by cjbgkagh »

ramesh31 wrote: post #5
lalaland1125 wrote: post #2

Didn't Russia already ban Facebook? What's the point of this legal game?

This is just a part of Russia's overall playbook. Sow doubt, maintain deniability, gaslight, deflect, and project. It's honestly fascinating to see an entire country treat the global community like an abused spouse.

Beware the British serpent… A US warning about British propaganda. I always get a kick out of governments that routinely lie warn us about other governments lying as if those other governments are the only ones doing it.
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