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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by hervature »

nindalf wrote: post #106
zozbot234 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They could relax their rules to allow for calls to military self-defense in the context of a "military operation" that has been condemned by the UN, while still banning "calls for violence" against Russians. The two are nothing like each other! Self-defense, or "standing one's ground" is not the same as initiating violence.

This is the most absurd take. So they should stand their ground against the Russian advance, but inflict no harm to the Russian soldiers? You’re welcome to try it, but please forgive the Ukrainians if they take the common sense route. By the way, there’s a reason we admire Tank Man, but we don’t know his identity.

In case you are unaware, stand-your-ground is a term that allows for deadly force to repel an attacker instead of mandating retreat if it is an option.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by criddell »

rajin444 wrote: post #158
georgyo wrote: post #156

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> Follow the laws of the land and that’s it. Which laws? If Russia says that all posts that call the "Special Military Operation" a war are illegal and Ukraine says they are legal, which is correct?

Companies at that scale can easily show different posts in different regions. It requires principles to remain a “natural resource” but it’s probably the most moral position to take if you believe your service helps better humanity (whether or not fb does that is a different discussion).

Sometimes breaking the law is the moral thing to do.

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Post by [deleted] »

bananabiscuit wrote: post #60
daenz wrote: post #21

The next Modern Warfare game is going to be very different than it's FPS predecessors.

I’m honestly hyped for a new golden age of movies and games where Russians are the bad guys. I feel like Russian bad guys always had more character and really made you want to see the hero outmaneuver them. Arabs just didn’t do it for me the last two decades.

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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by gunfighthacksaw »

zozbot234 wrote: post #161
monklu wrote: post #103

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Pardon me, but isn't that exactly what they're doing? > "As a result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine we have temporarily made allowances for forms of political expression that would normally violate our rules like violent speech such as 'death to the Russian invaders.' We still won't allow credible calls for violence against Russian civilians," a Meta spokesperson said in a statement.

"Death to the Russian invaders" is nationalistic propaganda of the sort that Putin likes to point to when he calls Ukrainians "nazis". It's not a sensible call to engage in self-defense. For one thing, it does not properly distinguish between ordinary Russians, of whom there are plenty in Ukraine (Russian even used to be an official language before the Ukraine government removed it as retaliation against the Crimea r…

Heh wait until Putin finds out the Gondorians- uhh Ukrainians- think they are orcs.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by HonestOp001 »

trhway wrote: post #179
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #172

Tech companies are making themselves active participants in conflicts involving powerful countries. Sooner or later, one of those countries is going to reach out and strike back in the physical world. It's just a matter of time. When it was little nudges in color revolutions in relatively weak countries, there was not much to worry about. Now? They're playing with fire and the tech folks doesn't seem they have a clue…

>Tech companies are making themselves active participants in conflicts involving powerful countries. sometimes there are situations when one can't be neutral. A genocidal war like the one Russia is waging in Ukraine is such a situation. >Sooner or later, one of those countries is going to reach out and strike back in the physical world. Like Saudis did. So, it is a personal choice of everybody - whether to live by Ru…

Genocidal war is not what is occurring. It is a land war where Putin wants to gain access to and control significant resources and a warm body of water in the southeast.

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Post by jjtheblunt »

I wonder if, like I, people see the word "Russia" and think it means two distinct things: the mobsters and their network of organized embezzling and crime and terror to protect themselves who currently control the Kremlin, and the millions of innocent people along for the ride.

Seems Russia has this tail recursive shitty luck of essentially mobsters raping the country for well over a century.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by nopsab »

trhway wrote: post #179
Mountain_Skies wrote: post #172

Tech companies are making themselves active participants in conflicts involving powerful countries. Sooner or later, one of those countries is going to reach out and strike back in the physical world. It's just a matter of time. When it was little nudges in color revolutions in relatively weak countries, there was not much to worry about. Now? They're playing with fire and the tech folks doesn't seem they have a clue…

>Tech companies are making themselves active participants in conflicts involving powerful countries. sometimes there are situations when one can't be neutral. A genocidal war like the one Russia is waging in Ukraine is such a situation. >Sooner or later, one of those countries is going to reach out and strike back in the physical world. Like Saudis did. So, it is a personal choice of everybody - whether to live by Ru…

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Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by Traster »

rajin444 wrote: post #158
georgyo wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Follow the laws of the land and that’s it. Which laws? If Russia says that all posts that call the "Special Military Operation" a war are illegal and Ukraine says they are legal, which is correct?

Companies at that scale can easily show different posts in different regions. It requires principles to remain a “natural resource” but it’s probably the most moral position to take if you believe your service helps better humanity (whether or not fb does that is a different discussion).

That doesn't address the point at all. Russia would be just as happy to prosecute facebook for letting pro-ukrainian propaganda stay up anywhere anyway, and what exactly is facebook meant to show a facebook user in Crimea? Russian propaganda or Ukrainian?

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by lazide »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #89
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #68

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> would adhere to the same principles in any other similar case? Consistency isn’t the paramount principle in a moral system. If you have a compulsion for kicking babies, controlling that impulse most of the time is better than going hog wild on a kindergarten because you lost control once. Facebook is an awful company. But it’s doing the right thing here. That action commendable, even if it’s doer is usually not.

'Consistency isn’t the paramount principle in a moral system.' I think the argument is different- if your moral system contradicts itself logically, it's likely it's hypocritical or self-serving

Do you have any examples of any moral system that doesn’t contradict itself logically somewhere? I haven’t run across one.

Near as I can tell, there often fundamentally HAS to be a logical contradiction somewhere, or unsupported assertion which conflicts with some objective fact sometimes.

Re: Russia opens criminal investigation of Meta over death calls on Facebook

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Post by trhway »

HonestOp001 wrote: post #185
trhway wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Tech companies are making themselves active participants in conflicts involving powerful countries. sometimes there are situations when one can't be neutral. A genocidal war like the one Russia is waging in Ukraine is such a situation. >Sooner or later, one of those countries is going to reach out and strike back in the physical world. Like Saudis did. So, it is a personal choice of everybody - whether to live by Ru…

Genocidal war is not what is occurring. It is a land war where Putin wants to gain access to and control significant resources and a warm body of water in the southeast.

It is a genocidal war because Ukrainians are being killed and displaced for refusal to accept a Russian identity. Putin is pretty clear in denying to Ukrainians their identity and statehood. His plans for Ukrainians are like that of Hitler who wanted that land too for Slavic people - displacement and killing of resisting ones, conversion to "Russian" identity for the rest on those lands with limited statehood under control of the Great Russia.
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