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Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential

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Does anyone have a solution for notes that include equations? I don’t want to spend the time on LaTeX for simple math notes for myself. Something that I could just type in “sum” and a summation sign would appear?

This blog post has a nice workflow that discusses how they take notes for their math classes in vim. It's an interesting read regardless if you want to go this route or not.

I think it was on HN not long ago. "How I'm able to take notes in mathematics lectures using LaTeX and Vim -" https://castel.dev/post/lecture-notes-1/

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential

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thats the thing: a NOTES service is useless. EN is not just a notes service. In fact thats probably its least useful feature. EN is a knowledge database. Its a place to stick stuff you might want to use later. As I've said before, its too bad that no one that works at EN understands this.

> EN is a knowledge database. Isn't that just a fancy way of searching notes? Seems like full text search and/or a wiki linking interface is most of that functionality. It's a hard problem; I don't mean to demean the work of the people on the product. But notes apps have been more or less the same for 30-40 years now barring features like OCR that I'd never use: the main difference is that you pay to sync them somewh…

I didn't read it as demeaning. I would respectfully like to posit that perhaps you haven't fully thought through what makes EN and its ilk different.

Yes a full text search and wiki linking interface would get a fairly large chunk of the essential functionality done. But there are MASSIVE gaps there. For one, a wiki is a web interface. Those are slow and suck on mobile. I've yet to see one that doesn't. Attaching media is painful. Theres no web clipper support. You'll have to roll your own infrastructure including backups. Capturing anything outside of a traditional desktop context is going to suuuuuck. Capturing TEXT is a fairly trivial problem. So much of what I capture in a given day is much more than that. I regularly scan documents and use EN to manage a paperless office for instance. You can do that with a wiki I suppose but it's more friction than is worthwhile IMO.

If you practice GTD like me, you need a trusted repository for capturing your thoughts, items, todos, etc. It should be fast and easy and available everywhere. Thats The value prop that EN brings to the table. No matter what it is you want to capture and store, no matter what platform, they have a way to quickly and easily do it. You can even email notes right into it (they give you a special email address) which I use for things like tech newsletters and stuff. So while you are right that notes apps have been around, its the little things that really make the difference here.

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential

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I find it weird that no one is mentioning that this article is written by an EN competitor. I've been an EN user since 2010. Yes they have had some problems and I have even tried to jump ship (as recently as last fall when I gave DEVONThink a go). I keep coming back though. I've yet to find anything that touches it in terms of features and functionality. Only ones that come close are OneNote and Notion. OneNote is fi…

OneNote can do hierarchy just fine. It's partly why I use the thing instead of Evernote: The OneNote hierarchy is in folders, not tags: https://i.imgur.com/X0qbxg3.png OneNote's Android app is still a bit iffy of an experience for surfacing notes and reading content (the scrolling can be a bit jittery sideways, and there's no separate edit/read modes), something where Evernote's steady scrolling has it beat. ON Andro…

Good to know. For some reason I just kind of hate the UI. Thats my primary reason for not using it. MS apps just look like garbage to me. Personal taste thing tho.

OneNote is the only thing I've seen that pretty closely matches EN in features. Its missing the email to inbox feature that EN has (unless they've added that since I last checked).

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential

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I've been using Evernote since September 2008. There's lots of things I would like to improve, but overall it's invaluable to me. I've tried Apple Notes and OneNote and they both lack some of the organization features. Some people say it's bloated, but I actually find it quite simple.

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential

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I've been using Evernote for a while. But since the time MS made a shift to the cloud and has put a lot of effort into OneNote and Office 365, OneNote was doomed to decline in use. Why would you pay for it when you already have Office subscription? On top of that I was struggling with the UX, it didn't fit my habits.

OneNote is also more importantly completely free on all platforms including all of it's cloud features. Besides OneNote being much better for handwritten and typed note taking as well as "rich notes" one of the most best features it has is email to note which means that even if you have to take notes on a machine that doesn't have it or you can't log in into OneNote from it or if you want to take notes from someone e…

You can email to Evernote, and it's better than OneNote, if anything, since you can email to your Evernote from any account. OneNote needs the email account to be yours and associated with the notebook you want to send it to.

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential

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I find it weird that no one is mentioning that this article is written by an EN competitor. I've been an EN user since 2010. Yes they have had some problems and I have even tried to jump ship (as recently as last fall when I gave DEVONThink a go). I keep coming back though. I've yet to find anything that touches it in terms of features and functionality. Only ones that come close are OneNote and Notion. OneNote is fi…

Every time I find a new Evernote competitor, I try it out. I keep thinking that it must be easy to top Evernote, which I have various complaints about. I'm always back to Evernote within a week. Notion and Joplin were my most recent attempts.

What was the reason from switching back from notion?

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential

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Also i know, at least for me, that when i find myself wanting to take notes most is whenever its a spur of the moment kind of idea that i dont want to lose. In that kind of scenario, i find that a small notebook and pencil is still superior to an app simply because i don't have to think too much about the process of getting myself into a position where i can actually record the idea. Its just too hard to get into the…

For me taking notes on my phone is usually as easy as clicking on an app, clicking new page and then typing. I have never had any problems with crashing, synching, notifications or opening the app that you mention. I find it much easier and better than taking notes on paper.

My handwriting is terrible and I can type faster on my phone than handwrite things. I have become significantly more organized since transitioning all my note taking and ideas to my phone rather than handwriting on some notebook where it will be forgotten and likely illegible.

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential

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Notion looks great... but I just can't seem to keep using it consitently (maybe too many features?) Now I am back to markdown files strucuted in folders

I think I may have the same issue. There's a bit too much going on for me. Markdown has definitely become my format of choice. It's like the JSON of plain-text files: Imperfect, but simple and everywhere. I'd like to simplify down to markdown files in folders as you have, but I can't seem to find a native editor that I actually like on Ubuntu. They all feel incomplete, or they insist upon "preview" mode, which I can'…

I use typora. Im not exactly sure whether it works on linux. also you could use a vscode extension for live previewing (vscode works on linux right?)

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential

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I find it weird that no one is mentioning that this article is written by an EN competitor. I've been an EN user since 2010. Yes they have had some problems and I have even tried to jump ship (as recently as last fall when I gave DEVONThink a go). I keep coming back though. I've yet to find anything that touches it in terms of features and functionality. Only ones that come close are OneNote and Notion. OneNote is fi…

Being an electron app isn't necessarily the reason why it's slow.

I use Trilium, a different note taking electron app, and it handles a massive amount of notes with ease

Re: Why Evernote failed to realize its potential

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post #82

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OneNote. It’s free on all platforms and handles your listed requirements.

It's worth noting that OneNote did always have synchronization issues until 1-2 years ago. There is plenty written about that on the web. Now it seems they've completely fixed them.

In my experience, onenote's synchronization still has serious performance issues if you have a huge number of notes. Try moving or deleting a large number of notes and watch it just completely lock up for 20 minutes.

Also, initial sync on a new machine is ridiculously slow. As in I need to leave it for hours before it totally syncs everything.

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