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Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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That's an interesting point, however I disagree it's tolerance of one group that makes someone intolerant of another group. In other words, I don't think being tolerant of black people means I must be intolerant of white people. Karl Popper wrote about this idea called the paradox of tolerance [0] asking if you should be tolerant of intolerance. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Intolerance of anti-black people makes you intolerant,not tolerance of black people. That intolerance would be fine(I certainly don't tolerate anti-black people in my personal life) but I would want to make every effort to be professional and respectful towards a skinhead at work.

I do not intend to have a Philosophy 101-level debate here, but would like to say that some things are not morally ambiguous. It is fine and good to be disrespectful towards skinheads at work, on the bus, or anywhere else. It is not fine or good to be respectful towards skinheads. Someone who wishes violence against a class of people based on their race does not have a place in a well-functioning society for these beliefs to be openly tolerated and accepted.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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You literally just proved my point with your response.

I'm not following you? Is the point of your post that liberals can hold bad views(which I agree with) or is your point that you might be criticized? If it's the latter then I think that in fact you have proved my point - that holding back your opinions here is stupid. I guess it could be some mix of the two, but wouldn't that make the other point just some tool for you to express that HN is left leaning? What exactly…

I'd love to reply further but i feel you've put words in my mouth I did not say. If you'd like discuss in person, I wouldn't mind continuing a civil discussion. www.keybase.io/exabrial

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We’ve actually moved from a society that was openly intolerant of liberal values, to one that is openly intolerant of conservative ones. Neither of those scenarios are better, it’s just putting the shoe on the other foot. When I was a kid I had to worry about some coalition of Christians or moms petitioning congress to prevent me from listening to rage against the machine. Now I have to worry about a mob of liberals…

Please, there’s a government literally ordering people to prop up alt-right viewpoints. Anecdotally, anytime I voice any criticism IRL and online of anything alt-right I’m immediately refuted forcefully and/or downvoted. My OP probably has more negatives than yours.

I’ve never experienced a scenario where the government has forced a view point upon me, and I’ve never heard of that happening to anybody else. What I do experience on an ongoing basis is pressure to keep my views secret, under thread of an often played out form of mob justice. The only thing that’s changed is the group of people who believe they have the moral authority to dictate my views to me.

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I had never heard of Alex Jones before. It doesn't particularly bother me if a couple companies kick him off their platform. But it was really disturbing that it was a coordinated move by all the major social platforms at once. Wow. It's shocking that they would cooperate with eachother on those decisions. Secondarily, it undermines the idea that they can leave all kinds of bad stuff on their network (libel, etc.) an…

Is there any proof of coordination?

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One could argue they were "punching a nazi" of their time. The establishment of a dictatorship of the working class was a mission for which no human sacrifice was too great. Obviously we're nowhere near that in modern US, BUT the hints of "violence in exchange for a dissenting opinion" and "what I don't agree with is Nazism" are unpleasant to say the least.

>the hints of "violence in exchange for a dissenting opinion" I couldn't agree more. I've seen both actual violence and extreme glorification of violence against people of the opposite political affiliation more and more over the past couple years. Many people seem to dismiss the calls to violence as "trolls", which is actually probably true, but I have to wonder if there is much of a difference between a troll who c…

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If you feel I’ve misunderstood your comment, or that you did not fully articulate your point, please feel free to elaborate. I’m not overly swayed or impressed by drive-by disparagement.

> misogynistic divorce laws, violence against “immodest” women, and application of the death penalty for homosexuality or apostasy It is a caricature. You have been reading the internet too much and spent too little time talking to actual Muslim people. However, if you find out that one of your employees is a member of the taliban, feel free to fire him.

There are 13 Muslim-majority countries where apostasy is punishable by death, including Malaysia, Iran, Nigeria, the UAE, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia. Pakistan only imposes the death sentence for blasphemy.

The UK has many sharia courts which act as marriage and divorce authorities, where women often have far fewer rights than men. (This sounds hysterical and far-right-ish, but it’s true)

I’ve heard horror stories of ex-Muslims in the US who were kidnapped and physically abused by their family when they tried to leave Islam.

Between mass-rape attacks in Germany, the many, many grooming gangs in the UK, and the latest sexual assault statistics from Sweden, I think it’s fair to take a skeptical eye towards mainstream Islamic male culture. Moderate and reformist Muslims in the West, for context, comprise a small majority of the faithful.

The Christian and Jewish faiths have reformed and lightened up with the liberalization of Western society. I think it’s fair to expect and allow adherents to the Islamic faith to walk a similar path.

EDIT: And for the record, I get along great with my Muslim co-workers. Please stop moving goalposts; to reiterate, your premise was that criticism of Islam's human rights record is driven by deep-rooted white supremacy.

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"But absolute freedom of speech IS A LEFT WING OPINION" That only holds if you're willing to perform enough mental gymnastics to somehow transmogrify the gulags, mass graves, firing squads and famines that the USSR, Mao Zedong, Cuba, Pol Pot, etc. employed to deal with dissenters into features of right wing governance. Or just pretend these things don't count...

One could argue they were "punching a nazi" of their time. The establishment of a dictatorship of the working class was a mission for which no human sacrifice was too great. Obviously we're nowhere near that in modern US, BUT the hints of "violence in exchange for a dissenting opinion" and "what I don't agree with is Nazism" are unpleasant to say the least.

> One could argue they were "punching a nazi" of their time.

One could. One would have to forego any claim to "absolute freedom of speech," however.

Re: Some Facebook Employees Unite to Challenge Its ‘Intolerant’ Liberal Culture

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That this is downvoted here is really a depressing thing. Does hackernews actually represent the average, highly educated tech professional? If so we are in for a very bad time.

Keep politics out of the workplace. Just because you support the things listed, it doesn't mean everyone has to hear about it and succumb to your outspoken politics. Go out on the street, go home, go anywhere else and be political. At work, just shut up and work.

I wasn’t talking about thinking that taxes are a little high.

We’re talking about fundamentally bigoted and hateful beliefs. I refuse to believe that someone who holds those beliefs is able to separate those beliefs from how they treat others in the workplace.

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All lives matter argument is one of the dumbest things i've ever heard. It's like responding to a "Save the whales" movement, with "all endangered species matter".

don't all endangered species matter though?

It's ridiculous to diminish the plight of whales because smallpox are also nearly extinct. Go for "smallpox matter" instead, and see what people really think.

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When intelligent animals pay their lives for their presence on your plate, then your dinner choice is no longer an entirely personal decision.

Intelligent animals are killed farming produce, transferring things to market, and by the space you occupy, etc.
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