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Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by WildUtah »

enraged_camel wrote: post #243
WildUtah wrote: post #210

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I doubt it will affect anyone with a US passport at the border, but it's about time for the USA to adopt the Japanese policy and simply ban all dual citizenship. If you hold a foreign passport or any kind of documents from a foreign country for its citizens, your US citizenship should be revoked and you should be deported.

Why?

You can be a loyal citizen to only one country. Maintaining two passports is an open declaration of disloyalty and lack of solidarity.

And immigrants shouldn't get special privileges that natural citizens cannot, especially special privileges conferred by foreign princes and potentates.

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Post by Retric »

gozur88 wrote: post #276
rgbrenner wrote: post #71

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It may also be illegal: https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/trumps-immigrat... The Hart-Celler Act abolished the national origins quota system that had structured American immigration policy since the 1920s, replacing it with a preference system that focused on immigrants' skills and family relationships with citizens or residents of the U.S. http://library.uwb.edu/Static/USimmigration/1965_immigration... Ex…

Every year it seems what presidents can get away with using executive orders gets more expansive.

Democracy is not a stable form of government in the long term. There are a lot more former democracy's than current ones, and the US seems to be heading down a very dark path.

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Post by mikeash »

crispinb wrote: post #298
mikeash wrote: post #288

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I'm rather sick of being blamed for Trump's election. How about the people who voted for the candidate from the party of personal responsibility take the responsibility for choosing who they voted for?

Of course they're responsible too. But mass-scale movements come from somewhere. They have systematic causes. The tech industry, and the ideology driving it, is manifestly amongst those causes.

Then we have a cause too, so why point the finger at us? Something else caused it!

Or, I have a better idea: point the finger at the people who cast the votes.

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daxorid wrote: post #79
intro-b wrote: post #2

How this is happening, the exact trajectory of how much worse these things are (and its potential to worsen) is somewhat terrifying, especially when you consider the cavalier disregard and easy ignorance that this policy represents. I know classmates and colleagues and friends who are discussing, in their groups and communities, how to best help people stranded, whether or not vacations and returns to see ill family…

Terrifying, how? This is what Trump promised, and the reason we voted for him. Half of us are quite happy to see campaign promises actually implemented. HN is acting as if this was capricious and unplanned. In fact, it's what half of us wanted.

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Post by infinite8s »

warbiscuit wrote: post #194
mertd wrote: post #127

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Let's just spell it out. They were white Christians and therefore are welcome. Statue of Liberty weeps with sorrow.

Actually, per a snopes article ( http://www.snopes.com/donald-drumpf ), the Drumpf to Trump transition may have occurred because the former was more German sounding, and there was a good bit of anti-german hatred at the time.

This is what all the anti-immigration people don't get. Chances are, when their ancestors came to this country they likely weren't wanted by the current residents. Basically every American racial/cultural slur you can think of arose during the time when that group was the majority immigrant group. Every group was discriminated against (Irish, Germans, Italians, Chinese/Japanese).

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Post by infinite8s »

tehlike wrote: post #268
ckarmann wrote: post #262

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Erdogan already said some stuff about removing Trump (just the name) from Istanbul in 2015 [1]. That said, Erdogan says a lot of things. [1] http://presstv.com/Detail/2016/06/25/472171/erdogan-trump-to...

i didn't realize it was a licensing deal, instead of trump owning the business there.

What most people don't realize is that most things with Trump's name on them are just licensing deals.

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Post by WildUtah »

Retra wrote: post #253
WildUtah wrote: post #240

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I doubt a Jewish Israeli computer scientist poses a threat. But posing a threat isn't the criterion. We don't just take anyone that isn't especially dangerous. America is a nation and only those that further the aims of the existing nation should come. Even then it should be very few of those because America is already full. We can't build enough space to live and infrastructure for the people that are already here.…

What do you mean "America is full?" Our population density is 182 of ~250 on a global scale. We have more space, money, and food per person than almost every other country on the planet.

The world is ridiculously overfull and Americans didn't make it that way. And the rest of the world is headed for rapid population increases to make it much worse. Americans shouldn't have to suffer for that; we've got a little space left and we should guard it jealously.

And just try driving in any major prosperous city at rush hour or riding the subway. Or renting an apartment in SF or NY. We can't expand housing or infrastructure in those cities and we're admitting millions of foreigners overfilling them even further.

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Post by egopulsus »

etimberg wrote: post #144
denzil_correa wrote: post #67

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> This is a temp 90-day ban on non-reciprocating countries (and countries of concern), which the FBI said they are not able to properly vet (because those countries will not provide background info on the applicant, and some other reasons). It only affects non-citizens. The EO affects ALL legal immigrants from these countries like H1B visa holders and Green Card holders too.

Looks like it also affects dual citizens of those countries as well. per http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38783512

Dual citizenship doesn't really make sense to me... when past generations left Europe for example and came to the US, they had to pledge allegiance to the flag and abandon their foreign citizenship.
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