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Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

tehlike wrote: post #231
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And a very large majority wants no immigration whatsoever from any of those nations affected nor from any of their neighbors save Israel. American immigration policy towards Israelis is essentially the same as towards anyone else. My (Jewish Israeli) coworker from grad-school wanted to work for Google in Mountain View, but the company couldn't swing him a visa. He stayed at Technion to do a PhD. He now says that he…

I believe Google would be happy to have him in London, Zurich, or Canada. We have solid engineering teams in all of them. However, my view on that is a bit different - if he can avoid, working on his own for his own future instead of a big corp is the way to go. PS: goog emp.

> I believe Google would be happy to have him in London, Zurich, or Canada. We have solid engineering teams in all of them.

As I understood it, he had gone through the interview process and been offered a specific role in Mountain View, for which they then couldn't get the visa. This was back in 2015, so no Trump craziness yet then, just the ordinary bureaucratic stuff.

And just to express my butthurt, Israelis don't even get visa-free tourism to the United States.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by robg »

Just so we're clear, 412 people have voted this up in 2 hours, with another 226 comments, but not one has signed the petition?

EDIT: I just signed the petition, and with email verification, and it's not showing up. Anyone else having that problem?

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by enraged_camel »

WildUtah wrote: post #210
etimberg wrote: post #144

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Looks like it also affects dual citizens of those countries as well. per http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38783512

I doubt it will affect anyone with a US passport at the border, but it's about time for the USA to adopt the Japanese policy and simply ban all dual citizenship. If you hold a foreign passport or any kind of documents from a foreign country for its citizens, your US citizenship should be revoked and you should be deported.

Why?

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by WildUtah »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #241
tehlike wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe Google would be happy to have him in London, Zurich, or Canada. We have solid engineering teams in all of them. However, my view on that is a bit different - if he can avoid, working on his own for his own future instead of a big corp is the way to go. PS: goog emp.

> I believe Google would be happy to have him in London, Zurich, or Canada. We have solid engineering teams in all of them. As I understood it, he had gone through the interview process and been offered a specific role in Mountain View, for which they then couldn't get the visa. This was back in 2015, so no Trump craziness yet then, just the ordinary bureaucratic stuff. And just to express my butthurt, Israelis don't…

Israelis don't even get visa-free tourism to the United States.

Israel harbors a very large and hostile Moslem citizen population.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by enraged_camel »

refurb wrote: post #162
facetube wrote: post #147

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False equivalence. Obama did not ban a country or religion wholesale. This is a substantial and disturbing step in the reckless anti-fact, anti-science, anti-truth administration of Donald John Trump.

False equivalence. I never stated their were equivalent, but the silence pre-Trump about immigration issues was deafening.

If you think there was silence about immigration issues pre-Trump, you simply were not listening.

But yes, the current situation is several orders of magnitude worse, if you simply measure the number of people affected. Therefore, people's will be much more vocal.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by eli_gottlieb »

grzm wrote: post #235
eli_gottlieb wrote: post #225

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It was 46% of voters in a roughly 58% turnout election. So, roughly 26.7% of eligible voters wanted this. And you think 26.7% of eligible voters, after you've suppressed and disenfranchised so many people, entitles you to violate our laws, our Constitution, and the boundaries of morality? No. "President" Trump and his neo-Nazi advisor Stephen Bannon can shove this fascist crap where the sun don't shine.

"President" Trump and his neo-Nazi advisor Stephen Bannon can shove this fascist crap where the sun don't shine. Regardless of how strongly you feel, how heated the discussion, or how others are behaving, you're doing yourself and your argument no favors with the name-calling. Even if you feel that you're just calling a spade a spade, you're just providing others with ammunition to dismiss you and anything you say as…

>Even if you feel that you're just calling a spade a spade, you're just providing others with ammunition to dismiss you and anything you say as just an angry, unreasonable rant.

I think the problem here is that I genuinely feel I'm calling a spade a spade. Trump himself is probably not ideological enough to be a devoted neo-Nazi. Stephen Bannon, on the other hand, makes Republicans allude to fascism[1].

>“The racist, fascist extreme right is represented footsteps from the Oval Office,” said John Weaver, a Republican strategist who ran the presidential campaign of Gov. John Kasich of Ohio and previously advised Senator John McCain of Arizona. “Be very vigilant, America.”[2]

[1] -- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/14/steve-bannon-who-...

[2] -- https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/15/us/politics/donald-trump-...

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by 551199 »

grzm wrote: post #212
551199 wrote: post #195

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Calling people openly nazis, racist, homophobic and other awful names when it couldn't be further from the truth shouldn't be encouraged on a site that prides itself with respectful conversation. Altman Time to Take a Stand Post: Search for any of those words https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13507993

I agree that it's not right or helpful to mislabel people or call names. Please don't read my comment as supporting that in any way. What I was addressing is the perception that it's one-sided. I don't think looking at a single submission is adequate in dealing with the perception issue, but for the sake of argument, I looked at all of the references for "nazi" (as it was the first on your list) in the comments for t…

Searching for 'Racist' gives you a better picture of the situation with 40 hits and most comments in bad faith.

The nazi thing is to the most extreme. Do people really believe trump supporters are warming their ovens? Israel is great supporter of Trump. Donald's daughter is a jewish as is grandkids for example.

Thanks for the good faith.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by masonic »

wallace_f wrote: post #73

I don't think it is by chance or coincidence that Trump's admin is targeting Iranians . What really is it with American government hating Iran and Iranians, when there are equal or even worse ethnocentric, human-rights-abusing, racially intolerant states in the Middle East?

Who hated whom? Here are some pertinent quotes from Iran's Supreme Leader[0] (repeating "Death to America!" less than 2 years ago) and President[1]:

[0] http://www.timesofisrael.com/khamenei-calls-death-to-america...

[1] "Saying 'Death to America' is easy. We need to express 'Death to America' with action. Saying it is easy."

"The beautiful cry of 'Death to America' unites our nation."

(Wikiquote)

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