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Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by tehlike »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #208
WildUtah wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Up to this point, it has been possible for supporters and apologists to waive away his vague or careless remarks during the campaign as political rhetoric, jokes, or leverage for future negotiation. Now we start to see the mean (in every sense of the word) instinct that informed them and the harm they can do. If you poll this issue, you'll find at least 80% of Americans don't care how inconvenient our immigration pol…

>And a very large majority wants no immigration whatsoever from any of those nations affected nor from any of their neighbors save Israel. American immigration policy towards Israelis is essentially the same as towards anyone else. My (Jewish Israeli) coworker from grad-school wanted to work for Google in Mountain View, but the company couldn't swing him a visa. He stayed at Technion to do a PhD. He now says that he…

I believe Google would be happy to have him in London, Zurich, or Canada. We have solid engineering teams in all of them.

However, my view on that is a bit different - if he can avoid, working on his own for his own future instead of a big corp is the way to go.

PS: goog emp.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by alva »

lazyant wrote: post #50

Proud to be Canadian, see our PM's latest tweets https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/825438460265762816

Just not if you are a single male from Syria

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/23/canada-syrian-...

Or even if a member of your immigrate family has Autism, from anywhere in the world, due to the financial burden to the healthcare system.

Where is the outrage over THAT? But of course platitudes are dished out that give the appearance of openness. That is obviously the only thing that matters in these cases, for the leaders to give the public a warm, fuzzy, general statement whilst doing the exact opposite.

There is a huge amount of sanctimonious talk coming out of other leaders and the public at the moment. People do not seem to be aware just how restrictive most country's immigration policies are. This is all getting lost in the Trump hate.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by tehlike »

tehlike wrote: post #226
selectodude wrote: post #37

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You think Donald will sell his stake in projects in Turkey?

It could happen, it's business after all. He might also be forced to sell by the turkish government. We don't have a stable political environment, and I wouldn't be super surprised if something happened there. Tax laws come to mind, for example, when Turkish government wanted extra tax money, they started going after American companies. Edit: Added last para.

Also, i feel like there is a chance where Trump can have his cake and eat it too - I am not entirely sure how a ban for Turkish nationals would immediately affect his business. The dynamics is very different in Turkey - i don't even try to understand.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by enraged_camel »

mikeyouse wrote: post #217
finid wrote: post #165

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So what are the Democrats doing about this. The silence from that group is deafening.

Lol, blame the Democrats for not doing what? The Rs control the White House and both branches of congress.

I don't think the OP was blaming the Democrats, but rather asking the legitimate question of whether (and how) they are planning to resist.

So far, their actions have been rather dismal. For instance, they've voted for most if not all of Trump's cabinet appointments.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by grzm »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #225
daxorid wrote: post #79

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Terrifying, how? This is what Trump promised, and the reason we voted for him. Half of us are quite happy to see campaign promises actually implemented. HN is acting as if this was capricious and unplanned. In fact, it's what half of us wanted.

It was 46% of voters in a roughly 58% turnout election. So, roughly 26.7% of eligible voters wanted this. And you think 26.7% of eligible voters, after you've suppressed and disenfranchised so many people, entitles you to violate our laws, our Constitution, and the boundaries of morality? No. "President" Trump and his neo-Nazi advisor Stephen Bannon can shove this fascist crap where the sun don't shine.

"President" Trump and his neo-Nazi advisor Stephen Bannon can shove this fascist crap where the sun don't shine.

Regardless of how strongly you feel, how heated the discussion, or how others are behaving, you're doing yourself and your argument no favors with the name-calling. Even if you feel that you're just calling a spade a spade, you're just providing others with ammunition to dismiss you and anything you say as just an angry, unreasonable rant. And if you're not actually addressing the people who you don't agree with (which means you're addressing the people who already agree with you, or at best, people who are on the fence), is it really worth saying?

You make a lot of good points at the beginning of your comment. These figures need to be kept in mind, on all sides of these discussions.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by MylesHiIdebrand »

wallace_f wrote: post #73

I don't think it is by chance or coincidence that Trump's admin is targeting Iranians . What really is it with American government hating Iran and Iranians, when there are equal or even worse ethnocentric, human-rights-abusing, racially intolerant states in the Middle East?

Because Iran is a threat to Israel, and Jews have a lot of influence in America. That's why.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by WildUtah »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #228
nerfhammer wrote: post #223

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If you're one the best and brightest abroad, why would you trust staking a future in this country anymore? Even if what we're seeing now recedes and fades. Huge damage to our future of this country, beyond just the "temporary"-so-far order.

I agree, and that's what I have to say to my former (I graduated) coworker. I'm very much inclined to pack bags, ship my possessions, and leave this country myself. If this is how this government behaves one week in , violating human rights and the Constitution already , what can I expect as a minority who was born here? And what about the people I know without second passports? Should a certain friend refuse to visi…

A patriotic American can simply renounce a foreign passport.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by skissane »

dragonsky wrote: post #221
skissane wrote: post #95

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If Donald Trump was Prime Minister of the UK instead of President of the US, do you think the Queen would stop him from doing something like this? I'm pretty sure the answer is "No".

No the House of Commons would stop him. Unlike the USA, countries with governments based on the Westminster system, such as Australia, NZ etc don't give the Prime Minister this type of unlimited power. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_system

I don't think the two systems are fundamentally different. If a British PM has a Commons majority and retains the support of their own party, they can basically do whatever they like.

Conversely, if Congressional Republicans wanted to stop Trump, they could pass legislation stripping him of much of the power Congress has delegated to him (and override any veto), they could pass a joint/concurrent resolution censuring his policies (and even calling for his resignation), they could begin impeachment proceedings, they could refuse to pass the budget until he gives in to their demands. (They may well not do any of these things – but if they don't, it is because they don't want to, not because they lack the power to.)

So I'm not convinced the US system and the UK system are fundamentally different here. Both give the executive utterly vast amounts of power. Both give the legislature the ability, by somewhat different routes, to remove the executive.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by WildUtah »

eli_gottlieb wrote: post #208
WildUtah wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Up to this point, it has been possible for supporters and apologists to waive away his vague or careless remarks during the campaign as political rhetoric, jokes, or leverage for future negotiation. Now we start to see the mean (in every sense of the word) instinct that informed them and the harm they can do. If you poll this issue, you'll find at least 80% of Americans don't care how inconvenient our immigration pol…

>And a very large majority wants no immigration whatsoever from any of those nations affected nor from any of their neighbors save Israel. American immigration policy towards Israelis is essentially the same as towards anyone else. My (Jewish Israeli) coworker from grad-school wanted to work for Google in Mountain View, but the company couldn't swing him a visa. He stayed at Technion to do a PhD. He now says that he…

I doubt a Jewish Israeli computer scientist poses a threat. But posing a threat isn't the criterion. We don't just take anyone that isn't especially dangerous.

America is a nation and only those that further the aims of the existing nation should come. Even then it should be very few of those because America is already full.

We can't build enough space to live and infrastructure for the people that are already here. And our natural environment is already threatened by overdevelopment.

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