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Re: Classism in America

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post #231

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The irony is people were down-voting flashman because they misunderstood the code he was talking with.

That's always the risk of making an in-joke, especially one about a niche New Zealand drink-driving ad.

If a joke is worth making it's worth being pilloried for.

Re: Classism in America

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Back in the middle ages, when the French conquered Britain, the ruling class spoke French and the peasants spoke English. A lot of French words flowed into English as a result. But even today, if people use the words of French origin rather than the old English words, one is regarded as being from the upper class, such as using 'purchase' instead of 'buy'. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Frenc.…

That's the reason for the animal/meat duality, right? Such as pig/pork, beef/cow. The working classes spoke English and dealt with the live animals, the elites just ate them.

This is a funny aspect of English. In general, we distinguish the meat of mammals (beef, pork, venison, mutton, ...), but non-mammals are their meat (fish, chicken, ...).

But I don't think this is well explained by a class distinction. I mean, the classes of people who raised sheep weren't so different from the people who raised chickens.

Re: Classism in America

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post #277

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That's doubtful--- it's young white men who tend to execute mass-shootings, and the officer in question knew he was responding to a mass shooting.

While you are right that gender is a very strong predictor, you are wrong about race, according to CNN[1]. > white people ... committed some 64% of the shootings ... Black people committed close to 16% ... Asians were responsible for around 9% ... Latinos are almost nowhere to be seen > whites and blacks are pretty proportionate to their population [1] http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/27/us/mass-shootings/index.ht...

No, the cop on the show explained his reasoning that he expected a young white male. Cops are taught that active shooters are predominantly young white males. You can argue statistics, but the officer in the piece specifically said he was looking for a man, not a woman.

Re: Classism in America

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Food wise maybe. But do you think your medicine, qualified doctors, medical equipment, internet, computers you use, movies and tv series you watch, trucks you drive and tons of other things besides grow on trees? (Not to mention farming subsidies)

Cities really, truly, do not have a monopoly on the production of those things.

Historically speaking, they generally do. See forex Jane Jacobs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Jacobs#The_Economy_of_Cit...

Re: Classism in America

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The truth of the essay is illustrated by studies that show lower social mobility over longer generational windows, i.e. ones grandfather's income quintile is a better predictor of ones owns than ones fathers's. The intangible cultural inheritance of social class is more lasting than fluctuations in material wealth.

> "ones grandfather's income quintile is a better predictor of ones owns than ones fathers's"

Wouldn't this actually meant that the average of one's parents, grandparent's, and great-grandparent's income quintiles is a better predictor than one's parents alone? (Unless these studies only looked at personal income of male relatives instead of household income?) The income of the grandfather is still a single point subject to fluctuations.

Where are these studies?

Re: Classism in America

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I had an almost jarring occurrence of this happen when I graduated with my BSME. My first name is traditionally associated with old rednecks. I sent out a hundred or so resumes before I got any response at all - an offhand comment about duct tape engineering.

For whatever reason, that clicked with me. So, I added my middle name to my resume and had a job within a week. I've been going by my middle name professionally ever since.

Re: Classism in America

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post #123

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You ask in another comment whether you are oblivious. Playfully, I respond "Yes, you are oblivious". Using "shibboleth" as a shibboleth is itself a shibboleth. She's declaring her bona fides (gratuitous Latin is also a shibboleth, especially if highlighted with italics) as a scholar by demonstrating her ability to use an obscure term correctly, and is being gracious to her audience by assuming their comprehension. Sw…

The author is obviously self-aware and this is precisely what makes it frustrating. Nearly every point is obfuscated through ornamentation, or broken up into parenthetical statements like a jigsaw puzzle. The entire article could be summarized in a concise paragraph with minimal loss of meaning. It's just pretension.

There are a lot of important details and discussions here that would be lost in a single paragraph. For instance: - Many people think that things that indicate social status cost money (who thinks this, why do they think this, when it is and is not the case) - How education and occupation do, and do not, influence social class. - How our culture defines class in ways that we may not realize even exist. We're so immersed in culture, it's difficult to realize alternatives. - She explores inter-class relations, and how the perception of class differs around the world.

I mean, those are just a few things I ran through and picked up near the beginning. I found the article extremely easy to read, and appreciated some of the subtle details in the writing that drove the point home. Is any type of long form writing on a subject pretension, or what would you prefer?

Re: Classism in America

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> Are you sure that isn't an act? It isn't. I'm from a economically below-average country in Europe, have lived in a couple others and I've settled down in the north. Almost none of my friends (particularly back home but here too) know how much I make because it's genuinely embarrassing. It's something of a "why do I make so much more when I'm no better than anyone else here?" feeling. Also I know it's not just me, I…

Interesting! Thanks, this clarifies something for me - my wife is mortified because I freely discuss my income with anyone who asks, and it's way higher than the average. She considers it "bragging" and, as you say, embarrassing. I always thought I was showing friends / relatives / acquaintances that getting a lot more money is possible with not much effort - I work from home and don't have a degree. Anyway - it's in…

Yes that's it: it always feels like bragging.

Re: Classism in America

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Simpsons paradox though. There are more conservative people in California than there are in Georgia (e.g. more people in California voted for Mitt Romney than people in Georgia). Slicing people up into states to make nice sound bite statistics is useless and leads to stupid stereotypes.

Well, that more people in California "voted for Mitt Romney than people in Georgia" might not tell the whole story. Are the people in California traditionalist, religious, backwards, or even racist, etc, as the people in Georgia? They might not be, regardless of who they chose to vote for -- which takes into account many factors and policies. That said, California is also traditionally regarded as conservative (at le…

Same percentage voted for Romney in Massachusetts as did in California. Again, grouping people by states is ridiculous to represent the views of the whole population of the state. It usually comes down to urban vs rural and that's about it.

Atlanta is not all that different from LA and Boston politically.

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