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In case people think you're being dismissive to the parent, this was a quote from a popular "drink driving" ad which ran in New Zealand - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtWirGxV7Q8
The irony is people were down-voting flashman because they misunderstood the code he was talking with.
Classism in America
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Re: Classism in America
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> I did kill my accent in grade school when kids made fun of me for saying words different. Ha ha amazingly I can detect a southern accent even in your writing! ('different' when someone not from the south would say 'differently') Language is amazing isn't it.
I'm from Northwest Pennsylvania, and everyone there would also say "different." I know, because in high school I became friends with a highly educated family who moved into town after having lived all over the world, and made an effort to match their more intelligent sounding speech (which included, among other things, adding -ly to adverbs.) My mom still occasionally teases me that I say "eye-ther" instead of "eee-t…
Re: Classism in America
#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
In case people think you're being dismissive to the parent, this was a quote from a popular "drink driving" ad which ran in New Zealand - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtWirGxV7Q8
The irony is people were down-voting flashman because they misunderstood the code he was talking with.
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> Is it possible that your friends are actually right? In being oblivious to a well-documented phenomenon? That's not very likely. Obliviousness to class is a class marker for middle class. Major values of the middle class are equal opportunity and meritocracy, but existing class structures prevent that, so the middle class stick their heads in the ground and pretend that the upper classes have earned their position…
That is ... remarkably classist of you.
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I got a bit of that when I moved to SF. It's harder to pin Midwesterners down by accent, though (city folks, anyway).
Part of that is because Chicago is considered the baseline "accent" for many news broadcasters, radio personalities, etc. As a result, most Americans have heard that accent their entire life and therefore don't really interpret it as all that different. I've found that it's the keywords that indicate where people are from within the Midwest: Is it soda or pop? Is it car-mel or care-uh-mel? (I do linguistic stuff in m…
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I had an opposite experience - I moved to Louisiana from a northern state and was shocked at the amount of racism and bigotry openly displayed. While looking in to buying a house I was told but multiple realtors to avoid certain areas because they are "too black." Also I distinctly remember seeing a bumper sticker that deriding mixed race relationships that ended with "don't be a race-mixing slut." Absolutely blew my…
Was it the openness of the bigotry that shocked you, or the bigotry itself? In my experience, there isn't a huge difference in the level of racial bigotry between northern and southern states. The difference lies primarily in the openness of it. For example, the effects of deed-restricted home sales are still being felt today in many neighborhoods in northern states. In some ways, the openness of the southern brand o…
When I was managing people in the '90s in California one of the technicians who worked for me was black and had worked all over the country.
He said he much preferred living in the South, because while there was no difference in the number of bigots he ran across, outside the South the bigots weren't brave enough to be open about it so it was harder to tell where he stood.
I think there's probably some legitimacy to that view, but I always wonder how much "shit happens" type stuff gets identified as racism. I'm white, so when a white guy is an asshole to me I assume he's an asshole. If I were black I might assume he's a racist.
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That's the reason for the animal/meat duality, right? Such as pig/pork, beef/cow. The working classes spoke English and dealt with the live animals, the elites just ate them.
chicken, duck, goose, pheasant, squab / poultry?
Pheasant: from Old French fesan. (the current french is faisan).
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Exactly. As a southerner, I have an accent, but I also don't answer important questions fast. IOW, I pause a beat to collect my thoughts. People tend to think this too is a sign of "stupid". Really, it's just I don't like to be wrong. I'd rather be slow up front and be right, than fast up front and be wrong. However, our development culture tends to think everything needs to happen as fast as possible (the whole twit…
>IOW, I pause a beat to collect my thoughts. People tend to think this too is a sign of "stupid". Really, it's just I don't like to be wrong. I'd rather be slow up front and be right, than fast up front and be wrong. I'm really glad to hear that I'm not alone with this struggle. Still don't have a good answer for it though. :(
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They like you just fine. You're not like "them". You're not like the racist, bigoted, regressive, backwards, ignorant, inbreds of people who still live in the South. Most people out here can comprehend the concept that there are people in our country who conservative, religious, and smart. They'd shit themselves if they met someone who was conservative and smarter than they were. (This is where you insert a joke abou…
You don't deserve the downvotes. I grew up in Seattle and still live there. If you voice any opinions that are not in a narrow band of the far left wing, they (including recent transplants) will attribute you holding that opinion to your place of origin, rather than listening to any justification you have for holding that opinion.
Along some axes Seattle is very diverse. But along others not so much.
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The only reason I even live within commuting distance of a large city is because that's where the only good-paying tech jobs are. If I had been a, say, banker or a mechanic or a plumber I'd be able to work in any town in the country, but no, dumb me had to become a computer programmer. If I could participate in this career/industry from a smaller town, you bet your butt I'd do it in a second.
Do you realize that ours is one of the few jobs that can be conducted entirely remotely? Perhaps the remote-work train is destined to derail at some point in the future, but at the moment it's totally possible to find work that lets you live anywhere there's available internet.
The people who ended up working remotely are the ones who worked in the office for many years and gained the trust of their employer. Then when the family moved (usually due to a spouse changing jobs) the employer decided to let them work remotely rather than letting them go, at least in the near term.