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It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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Re: It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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From Gruber's article: >By profit share, on the other hand, according to Canaccord Genuity analyst T. Michael Walkley, last year Apple took 69 percent of the handset industry’s profits; Samsung took 34. For just the last quarter, the numbers were 72 percent for Apple, 29 for Samsung. You will note that both the annual and quarterly numbers total more than 100 percent; that is because all other handset makers, combine…

69+34==103%

Re: It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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Please ! Saying "Apple vs Android" is nonsense, you are comparing two things that are completly different! It's either "iOS vs Android" or "Apple vs Google".

While that's usually true, in this case it should be "Apple vs every company involved with Android (plus Nokia)". That's not as catchy, though.

Re: It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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post #31

From Gruber's article: >By profit share, on the other hand, according to Canaccord Genuity analyst T. Michael Walkley, last year Apple took 69 percent of the handset industry’s profits; Samsung took 34. For just the last quarter, the numbers were 72 percent for Apple, 29 for Samsung. You will note that both the annual and quarterly numbers total more than 100 percent; that is because all other handset makers, combine…

69+34==103%

>You will note that both the annual and quarterly numbers total more than 100 percent; that is because all other handset makers, combined, are losing money.

http://daringfireball.net/2013/03/ceding_the_crown

Re: It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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I don't think that's necessarily the conversation telcos are having regarding Skype, Facetime, etc. Skype probably is hated because of bandwidth issues but that is not the reason for the hate.

Look, Telco love for Android is around the fact that Android handsets are virtually under their control. They can do with it as they please - bloatware, ads, etc., Android also filled the lower end market with cheaper phones retaining the same functionality while Apple only caters to certain segments.

Telcos don't love iOS. iOS is popular with customers and iOS sells. Hence, Telcos are left with no choice but to support Apple and show their love for Apple.

Microsoft on the other hand is treated like a step child essentially because they want to go with the Apple way in not letting Telcos control their handsets while not having the customer love as of now. The only single reason why MS is still in the game is because Nokia stepped in to save their butts with beautiful hardware. Yes, it's a chicken and egg issue for MS as of now but I think if they hang in there, they will eventually start getting respectable number of apps and succeed as a platform. Not to mention, Nokia releasing cheap phones as well.

Re: It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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Please ! Saying "Apple vs Android" is nonsense, you are comparing two things that are completly different! It's either "iOS vs Android" or "Apple vs Google".

While that's usually true, in this case it should be "Apple vs every company involved with Android (plus Nokia)". That's not as catchy, though.

I understand that. It's just that I hear so many people making the confusion and it irritates me.

Re: It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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post #20

Is he calling "Nexus" a Samsung brand?

In the same way that Droid is a Motorola brand. Officially, Droid is a Verizon brand, and Nexus is a Google brand, but other companies make the phones. In the case of Nexus, half of the models were made by Samsung.

Re: It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, this is hair-splitting, but I'll bite. A company can be considered (by me) a "good-guy" if: 1 - they do not want to steal from me (by using legal tactics to shut down competitors) 2 - they are not making my life difficult (by actively fighting standardization of protocols/formats) Bonus points for improving life for everybody by releasing quality open source software (which Apple has done, in a limited way) I h…

Given the web is so wide open and been available for over 20 years to the public, I fail to see how Apple is responsible for this lock-in trend. Rather Apple has aptly uncovered an untapped desire among the public, which the web failed to provide. Yes, you can say Apple started it, so they're responsible. But this desire was ready for the pickin's. I don't fault Apple for picking it up. It must have been obvious to t…

Yes, but a 30% cut gives them all incentive in the world to further destroy the open marketplace (html). I do not have evidence that it is happening - but this must be an Apple goal. Simply because of how they are profiting from this arrangement.

Or, to put it another way: the financial incentives for Apple are not at all aligned with my personal interests.

Whereas I can not say the same thing about Google. I do not see how their financial incentives are colliding with my personal interests. Yes, privacy is a concern, but I am not - that I know - affected by that, and there are worse players here (Facebook).

In that light, Apple==bad, Google==good.

Re: It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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> Nokia (with Microsoft) make beautiful hardware and Windows Phone is lush, but for some reason is not getting the market love its quality deserves. Two points here: First, it pains me to see MS lumped with Nokia. I'll be clinging to my N9 for a very long time yet (and probably only move on when Ubuntu or Firefox phones are compelling). I miss Maemo/MeeGo. Second, the reason which MS doesn't get the love which its qu…

>For Windows Phone, which integrates Skype by default, to really take off in the marketplace...

If only this were true! I can't install Skype on my new Nokia 920 (maybe they'll give us the tomtom version eventually?). But Skype isn't really a good deal for anything but international calls....I'm guessing you are in Europe.

Re: It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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> Nokia (with Microsoft) make beautiful hardware and Windows Phone is lush, but for some reason is not getting the market love its quality deserves. Two points here: First, it pains me to see MS lumped with Nokia. I'll be clinging to my N9 for a very long time yet (and probably only move on when Ubuntu or Firefox phones are compelling). I miss Maemo/MeeGo. Second, the reason which MS doesn't get the love which its qu…

  First, it pains me to see MS lumped with Nokia. I'll be clinging to my N9 for a very long time yet (and probably only move on when Ubuntu or Firefox phones are compelling). I miss Maemo/MeeGo.
Same here: I'm still clinging to my 2 year old N900, which I still consider a great phone. When I bought it I knew that the patform is in a dead end, but I got it anyway and never regretted it.

In fact I still have a brand new N9 in a box in reserve. That's in case that the current phone moves into a state beyond repair.

What is most interesting is that my pretty ancient clunker feels much more snappy then more modern smart phones after 6 month, apart from a couple scratches on the screen it looks and feels still rather fresh.

Re: It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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post #6

> Nokia (with Microsoft) make beautiful hardware and Windows Phone is lush, but for some reason is not getting the market love its quality deserves. Two points here: First, it pains me to see MS lumped with Nokia. I'll be clinging to my N9 for a very long time yet (and probably only move on when Ubuntu or Firefox phones are compelling). I miss Maemo/MeeGo. Second, the reason which MS doesn't get the love which its qu…

If your second point were the dominant factor, then Android should been hit even harder( in the US), since Google Voice has been included since 2011.
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