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It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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Re: It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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Feels a little bit as if it should be filed under "yes but obvious".

When you can find large groups of people who will tell you how much they love their Android phone and other large groups of people who tell you how much they love their iPhone, it should be obvious that this isn't a one size fits all situation.

The one thing he doesn't say (possibly because it's also obvious) is that whatever side you're on, you should probably celebrate the situation as the many and varied levels of competitions that exist are driving innovation and we're all benefiting from that.

Re: It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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Feels a little bit as if it should be filed under "yes but obvious". When you can find large groups of people who will tell you how much they love their Android phone and other large groups of people who tell you how much they love their iPhone, it should be obvious that this isn't a one size fits all situation. The one thing he doesn't say (possibly because it's also obvious) is that whatever side you're on, you sho…

True, but there are equally large groups of people who 'hate' the 'opposition' blindly. The majority of the analysis seems to reflect this less enlightened viewpoint.

Re: It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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While its indeed not an zero-sum game where we have a clear good guy and a clear bad guy, there are some clear good outcomes. Lets call them mini-victories.

The patent fight is one of them. Rounded corners, button less interface, menu areas outside the screen. All those are of practical purpose and should never have been allowed to be design patented. Same goes for basic iconic figures for applications, a table view interface, slide to unlock and any "natural" gestures. Then there are FRAND patents, where a clear model for deciding prices would help in making the market more predictable for new ventures.

If we look at DRM, lockdown and DMCA, we also have a mini-victory that we need to fight over. Here we have a moral argument that the device owner should be in control and not Apple, Google or Samsung. Consumers need to get a win here.

I could mention that some actors in all this are behaving worse than others, and if one had to pick one evil over the others then I know where I would lean. But that is just a secondary issue in all this. Primarily, consumers and new actors on the phone market need to win. Those are the true "good guys" in the fight.

Re: It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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Feels a little bit as if it should be filed under "yes but obvious". When you can find large groups of people who will tell you how much they love their Android phone and other large groups of people who tell you how much they love their iPhone, it should be obvious that this isn't a one size fits all situation. The one thing he doesn't say (possibly because it's also obvious) is that whatever side you're on, you sho…

Obvious to some of us, perhaps, but fanboy wars continue to rage in tech news comments, so there are still many who aren't getting the message.

Re: It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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> Nokia (with Microsoft) make beautiful hardware and Windows Phone is lush, but for some reason is not getting the market love its quality deserves.

Two points here:

First, it pains me to see MS lumped with Nokia. I'll be clinging to my N9 for a very long time yet (and probably only move on when Ubuntu or Firefox phones are compelling). I miss Maemo/MeeGo.

Second, the reason which MS doesn't get the love which its quality deserves (let's accept that it deserves a lot of love for the sake of this argument) is that Microsoft owns Skype. Telcos aren't huge fans of Skype, as a rule--it doesn't quite jive with their values. For Windows Phone, which integrates Skype by default, to really take off in the marketplace, we need to see the founding of a telco which doesn't do anything BUT data as their subscription model. With no voice fees to compete with Skype's inclusion on the phone, there will be no reason for telcos to marginalize the platform.

Re: It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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Sure there is no good-guy and bad-guy here. But there is a better guy, and a worse guy, and that largely depends on what you value most.

For me, the tactics of Apple using legal methods to try to squash competition are a huge red flag, because I happen to think that the consumer is going to pay for that.

You can think that Apple defending its rights is going to benefit the consumer long-term by allowing Apple to provide innovation. But my viewpoint is that Apple can not compete anymore, and is resorting to legal tactics to fight competition. And that (if they had won) they would have a lock-in in a growing and very important market segment (high end smartphones).

Luckily the "good guys" have largely won.

It is just a matter of point of view.

Re: It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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While I can see the argument here (and yes, it's valid), how is it any different from them promoting either Android or Apple, where with just a few taps you can download Skype?

Same scenario really - just slightly less convenient.

Re: It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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post #6

> Nokia (with Microsoft) make beautiful hardware and Windows Phone is lush, but for some reason is not getting the market love its quality deserves. Two points here: First, it pains me to see MS lumped with Nokia. I'll be clinging to my N9 for a very long time yet (and probably only move on when Ubuntu or Firefox phones are compelling). I miss Maemo/MeeGo. Second, the reason which MS doesn't get the love which its qu…

Yes, but you can easily install Skype on the other platforms as well.

Which any savvy customer will do anyway.

Plus Skype is not the only game in town, there are other apps offering VoIP services.

Re: It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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Feels a little bit as if it should be filed under "yes but obvious". When you can find large groups of people who will tell you how much they love their Android phone and other large groups of people who tell you how much they love their iPhone, it should be obvious that this isn't a one size fits all situation. The one thing he doesn't say (possibly because it's also obvious) is that whatever side you're on, you sho…

Obvious to some of us, perhaps, but fanboy wars continue to rage in tech news comments, so there are still many who aren't getting the message.

I used to be a bit like that around 15 years ago, then I learned to appreciate technology for what it is, regardless who does it.
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