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It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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Re: It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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Post by Tyrannosaurs »

cooldeal wrote: post #17

From Gruber's article: >By profit share, on the other hand, according to Canaccord Genuity analyst T. Michael Walkley, last year Apple took 69 percent of the handset industry’s profits; Samsung took 34. For just the last quarter, the numbers were 72 percent for Apple, 29 for Samsung. You will note that both the annual and quarterly numbers total more than 100 percent; that is because all other handset makers, combine…

Because both Samsung and Apple are hardware companies making a physical product with a price from which they aim to make profit for their shareholders. Essentially they have the similar aims therefore using that aim as a measure seems reasonable.

Linux and Windows and those involved in producing and marketing them on the other hand have different aims and different business models. The reason it's not right to say MS "wins" in the server market based on profit is that Linux isn't trying to compete on profit, it has other aims (which are as varied as those who develop and promote it).

If he'd said Apple and Google it might have been a fair comparison, but while their execution is different (and while in some ways they complete quite indirectly and it's not a zero sum game, even without the other competitors) Samsung and Apple do have broadly similar goals.

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Post by zachrose »

cooldeal wrote: post #17

From Gruber's article: >By profit share, on the other hand, according to Canaccord Genuity analyst T. Michael Walkley, last year Apple took 69 percent of the handset industry’s profits; Samsung took 34. For just the last quarter, the numbers were 72 percent for Apple, 29 for Samsung. You will note that both the annual and quarterly numbers total more than 100 percent; that is because all other handset makers, combine…

The comparison is an interesting one. I guess the differences are that A) Apple and Samsung are both classic for-profit firms and B) they're shipping hardware.

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Post by lovemenot »

cooldeal wrote: post #17

From Gruber's article: >By profit share, on the other hand, according to Canaccord Genuity analyst T. Michael Walkley, last year Apple took 69 percent of the handset industry’s profits; Samsung took 34. For just the last quarter, the numbers were 72 percent for Apple, 29 for Samsung. You will note that both the annual and quarterly numbers total more than 100 percent; that is because all other handset makers, combine…

Whether fair it or not, Microsoft has become an anachronism in people's minds. We heard about their greatness constantly for a decade and a half. It's enough. By comparison, IBM still had some very profitable and relevant products like AS/400 back in the early nineties, but the narrative was invariably about the dinosaur. That brand was tired then too.

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Post by ygra »

wuest wrote: post #19
cooldeal wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Telcos aren't huge fans of Skype, as a rule--it doesn't quite jive with their values. Values? You make it sound as if it's ethical values. It more like they're trying to stifle innovation instead of becoming dumb pipes like ISPs. >For Windows Phone, which integrates Skype by default How is Skype more integrated with WP, than say iOS or Android?

> Values? You make it sound as if it's ethical values. One could make the point that I mean ethical values. Telcos' ethics are certainly at play here. The values to which I refer can be summed up as, "prioritize profit over a robust network and user experience, avoid empowering other entities to compete on even ground." > How is Skype more integrated with WP, than say iOS or Android? My understanding (disclaimer: as…

(a) It's not preinstalled.

(b) I can't place Skype calls from outside the Skype application, likewise for chats.

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Post by bruceboughton »

cooldeal wrote: post #17

From Gruber's article: >By profit share, on the other hand, according to Canaccord Genuity analyst T. Michael Walkley, last year Apple took 69 percent of the handset industry’s profits; Samsung took 34. For just the last quarter, the numbers were 72 percent for Apple, 29 for Samsung. You will note that both the annual and quarterly numbers total more than 100 percent; that is because all other handset makers, combine…

>> If iOS is beating Android, why can't Windows Server be considered beating Linux by the same metric?

A lot of people do consider this the case.

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Post by fpgeek »

pm_ingram wrote: post #8

While I can see the argument here (and yes, it's valid), how is it any different from them promoting either Android or Apple, where with just a few taps you can download Skype? Same scenario really - just slightly less convenient.

What happens if a telco doesn't want Skype in the version of the Apple App Store or Google Play Store their customers see? It's simple and straightforward. They make a phone call and it's done. Maybe some grumbling if the other store doesn't have the same restriction.

Now what happens if they want to call Microsoft about Skype in the Windows Phone store? I don't know, but I do know that the conversation wouldn't be straightforward or simple.

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Post by addlepate »

cooldeal wrote: post #17

From Gruber's article: >By profit share, on the other hand, according to Canaccord Genuity analyst T. Michael Walkley, last year Apple took 69 percent of the handset industry’s profits; Samsung took 34. For just the last quarter, the numbers were 72 percent for Apple, 29 for Samsung. You will note that both the annual and quarterly numbers total more than 100 percent; that is because all other handset makers, combine…

That's not a consumer market, silly. Don't be silly.

Re: It's Not Just Apple vs Android

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Post by jolohaga »

gonvaled wrote: post #18
illo wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In which way a market can truly be split between (ideologically) better and worse players (this is a sincere question, no rethorics)? My point of view is that all the companies involved in this mobile-market dance happened and will happen (sometimes willingly) to turn out evil or good based on what better suits them in a particular point in time. I'm confident it will take just time for Samsung to show they're just a…

Well, this is hair-splitting, but I'll bite. A company can be considered (by me) a "good-guy" if: 1 - they do not want to steal from me (by using legal tactics to shut down competitors) 2 - they are not making my life difficult (by actively fighting standardization of protocols/formats) Bonus points for improving life for everybody by releasing quality open source software (which Apple has done, in a limited way) I h…

Given the web is so wide open and been available for over 20 years to the public, I fail to see how Apple is responsible for this lock-in trend.

Rather Apple has aptly uncovered an untapped desire among the public, which the web failed to provide.

Yes, you can say Apple started it, so they're responsible. But this desire was ready for the pickin's. I don't fault Apple for picking it up. It must have been obvious to them.

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