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Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by Something1234 »

nolongerthere wrote: post #20
ksec wrote: post #10

It is very typical Apple that wants to play Google against OpenAI to their full advantage. All while buying themselves time to work on their own. I just wish Microsoft could get their act together on their OS and release a Surface Phone

> I just wish Microsoft could get their act together on their OS and release a Surface Phone MS has given up on mobile as a OS or device category. In fact I’d argue MS has given up on the entire OS sector, as a revenue stream Windows is increasingly less relevant to their bottom line. They only see windows as a way to bring other applications (read: advertising) to their users but not as a means unto itself. Ask your…

I have a feeling plenty of talent is interested in it. They're just not sure how to break into the role.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

dagmx wrote: post #16
Auracle wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think Siri but as an LLM would be “bullshit.” It’d be an absolutely immense upgrade.

Hallucinations would be terrible for brand appeal beyond being limited. Nobody has solved that problem yet. Just take a look at Google’s latest search results giving actively harmful information.

> Hallucinations would be terrible

Tighten the temperature.

Everyone is trying to sell AI as AGI. Apple’s genius will be in breaking from that. Simply, dependable, tightly controlled LLM that isn’t even branded as AI. Just a thing that does certain tasks for you better.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by nmeagent »

There had better be an option to disable any and all LLM tendrils in iOS or I'm going to probably end up throwing my iPhone into a lake. Call me a luddite or neo-amish or whatever, but IMO the entire feature set is cursed and I want nothing to do with it.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by kalleboo »

dagmx wrote: post #23
threatofrain wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect that current ML tech is good enough to constitute a big discrete step forward in terms of how much value Siri is providing as a digital assistant that's also in charge of your home. If that's the case, there's more harm in being reputed as the company that is one serious step behind in a space that isn't yet settled vs facing the same level of gaffs that Google and Microsoft are putting out. Just look at Mi…

I would argue that Microsoft do not have the same brand that Apple does. So they’re much more free to pursue OpenAI partnerships regardless of how well it works. I don’t mean brand as in purely recognition, but what it means to people. Apple are held to a higher standard because of the specific identity they’ve cultivated. (Arguing the specifics of whether that’s deserved or not will be its own essay so I’m leaving t…

You can see this even with Google vs Microsoft/OpenAI. Google had their LLM chat-bot working internally (remember the ethics guy who got fired because he was so convinced that the chatbot had a soul?), but they clearly thought that the level of hallucinations at the time would be bad publicity as all the news would be "Google's chatbot spews nonsense!". But OpenAI and Bing had nothing to lose, they could launch them with no expectations of quality, taking Google by surprise, and now everyone just says Google was behind instead and had to scramble to catch up.

Same thing with Apple - if Apple had launched Siri with GPT-3.0 before ChatGPT, they would have been a laughing stock with how bad it was. But instead now they're behind, even though the competing products are STILL unsuitable.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by kalleboo »

dagmx wrote: post #16
Auracle wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think Siri but as an LLM would be “bullshit.” It’d be an absolutely immense upgrade.

Hallucinations would be terrible for brand appeal beyond being limited. Nobody has solved that problem yet. Just take a look at Google’s latest search results giving actively harmful information.

They could use OpenAI only as the natural language processing part, and constrain it to only using the vetted services/actions that Siri already can do rather than answering open-ended questions. That would still make Siri massively more useful than it is today since it would remove the need to word things in a specific way.

It wouldn't be bullet-proof (there are always "jailbreaks" to these kinds of prompts) but it might be good enough if they slap a "beta" tag on it.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by m463 »

nmeagent wrote: post #34

There had better be an option to disable any and all LLM tendrils in iOS or I'm going to probably end up throwing my iPhone into a lake. Call me a luddite or neo-amish or whatever, but IMO the entire feature set is cursed and I want nothing to do with it.

You want a local LLM.

honestly, I hope regulation allows sideloading and alternative apps sometime soon. We need to firewall our devices from the accelerating pace of data snarfing.

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Post by beretguy »

mrweasel wrote: post #22
scubadude wrote: post #9

I guess unfortunately Apple has no choice but to include bullshit AI in it's products and services or look like they have been left behind.

Apple should consider an iPhone/iOS light, a version stripped of anything but the bare essentials. I get why they don't, the market isn't big enough, and they can barely sell their current best phone, the iPhone SE.

> they can barely sell their current best phone, the iPhone SE.

They need to stop making phones every year. Most people in the world already have phones and don’t need a new one every year.

They also need to make 4 inch phone, like iPhone SE 1. That was the perfect size for a phone.

Re: Apple signs deal with OpenAI for iOS, still wants Google as an 'option'

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Post by diggan »

nmeagent wrote: post #34

There had better be an option to disable any and all LLM tendrils in iOS or I'm going to probably end up throwing my iPhone into a lake. Call me a luddite or neo-amish or whatever, but IMO the entire feature set is cursed and I want nothing to do with it.

Apple already force useless "assistants" on you, how is this different? For example, you can't use CarPlay with Siri disabled, even if you dont use Siri at all. Similarly, you cant disable ChatGPT training on your chat history without also disabling history in general.

So to me this seems like a match made in heaven.

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