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Trust arrives on foot and leaves on horseback (2020)

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Re: Trust arrives on foot and leaves on horseback (2020)

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Additionally, when a customer is upset with how you treated them, they are highly likely to tell a bunch of people about it. They are less likely to hype your product if satisfied. So one bad experience can undo a lit of good ones. These days, one person with a large social media following can tell a great many people for the same effort it would take to tell one person and may not stop until their ire has died down,…

I occasionally get some lazy high maintenance customers (B2B) that I’d rather not have. It gives me a fair amount of stress at times. Even though they generate revenue they are absolutely a liability and I’d pay to quietly get rid of them.

One lesson I've learned the hard way in business is: never be afraid to fire customers when they are costing you more than you're willing to pay. "Cost" here means monetary cost, sure, but also more intangible costs such as stress, aggravation, etc. Those a very real costs that may even adversely impact your product/service for your other customers.

Firing bad customers is good business practice.

Re: Trust arrives on foot and leaves on horseback (2020)

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For me, trust is the default position, but if you betray my trust, it is very hard to earn it back again. So a more fitting saying for me would be, "Trust leaves on horseback and returns on foot."

I don't trust by default, but I also don't distrust by default. My default position is neutral because I have no basis for making a determination of trustworthiness.

Trust must be earned.

Re: Trust arrives on foot and leaves on horseback (2020)

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trust real Trust, by definition, is *not* the default position. If it's not earned, it's not trust. Anything else? Call it what you want, but it's not trust. Politicians and other opportunists love to leverage the false idea that trust is a default. The bar is higher.

I don't see why this is "by definition". I understand that "default to trust must be earned" is a common position in modernity, but that makes me sad. Even if this were a good life principle at the moment, I think that's more a reflection on the current state of the world rather than an invariable fact of life. As to my own behavior, I concur with ThisMustBeTrue, at least when it comes to people: I default to trustin…

> I think that's more a reflection on the current state of the world rather than an invariable fact of life

I don't think that's a new thing at all. It's how it's been for as far back as we have historical records.

Re: Trust arrives on foot and leaves on horseback (2020)

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post #15

For me, trust is the default position, but if you betray my trust, it is very hard to earn it back again. So a more fitting saying for me would be, "Trust leaves on horseback and returns on foot."

what about "trust, but verify"?

"Trust but verify" is a nice way of saying "don't trust".

Re: Trust arrives on foot and leaves on horseback (2020)

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One thing I think often gets overlooked is that trust can disappear long before it's noticed. You can grind away eroding trust with your customers and stakeholders and as long as nothing big changes, it's often fine. The problem comes when you need to draw on that trust and it's only at that point you realise it no longer exists. It's not so much that it was quick to disappear, it was very slow to disappear but you d…

People didn’t have a reason to look at it, you gave them one.

Happens with employees too. You squeeze and squeeze and when times get bad they either leave in droves or worse, stay to watch you finally make the crater you have been fostering the entire time.

Re: Trust arrives on foot and leaves on horseback (2020)

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Additionally, when a customer is upset with how you treated them, they are highly likely to tell a bunch of people about it. They are less likely to hype your product if satisfied. So one bad experience can undo a lit of good ones. These days, one person with a large social media following can tell a great many people for the same effort it would take to tell one person and may not stop until their ire has died down,…

Everyone loves Plausible, the Google Analytics alternative, but I had a really bad experience with them that I bring up often.

Their code didn't work with many pages on my web site and was just silently not recording any data (you don't know that it isn't working, so you don't know you're not getting data).

I eventually spent about a dozen hours debugging it and figuring out what the problem was with their code. I was broke and homeless and I told them I had the fix for the critical bug in their software - how about throwing me a few months of paid service (it's $6 a month). They told me to basically get lost and that they would find the bug themselves one day and fix it and didn't need my solution.

Left a bad taste in my mouth and I pass that on.

Re: Trust arrives on foot and leaves on horseback (2020)

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Discussion from earlier today that put this quote in the context of the Unity stuff: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37649052

I would argue it is a saying in Dutch, it is part of our canon, basically every Dutch person knows and uses the saying ( without knowing its origin ).

Yes, "saying" is the more appropriate word here. I sent that comment off in a hurry.
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