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Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Some things to keep in mind about these UFO hearings: 1. The reports are all second- and third- hand. To my knowledge, no DoD employee has testified to anybody in Congress that they personally witnessed extraterrestrial technology or "biologics". 2. The exception here is a "Jonathan Grey", who hasn't testified before Congress, or, for that matter, been identified; he's one of David Grusch's sources, under a pseudonym…

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Honestly I think it refutes itself, with the Pentagon clearance and Vatican conspiracy alone, without the political bank-shot argument.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Some things to keep in mind about these UFO hearings: 1. The reports are all second- and third- hand. To my knowledge, no DoD employee has testified to anybody in Congress that they personally witnessed extraterrestrial technology or "biologics". 2. The exception here is a "Jonathan Grey", who hasn't testified before Congress, or, for that matter, been identified; he's one of David Grusch's sources, under a pseudonym…

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Eh, these UFO hearings are fairly bipartisan, and to any degree that they diminish the credibility of their organizers, it cuts across the aisle...

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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This is very cool research (solid theory and data paired with "hands-on" activity across teams) and a well-presented finding. I'm hoping there's a chance to find larger samples in the future as well. Even if not, just the weird composition of the spherules is itself a massive find.

To me what’s cool about this is he came up with this theory about IM1, went out and figured out how to test his theory, and found exactly what he was expecting to find on the ocean floor. This is how you do science, kids.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Avi Loeb is an interesting scientist. I read a longer article about him that gave some more background about his work [1]. While he is famous for going on podcasts and making wild claims about objects being signs of alien intelligence, the actual hard science that he's doing is interesting. E.g, this expedition he managed to get funding to recover these extrasolar particles. The clickbaity pop media says that this is…

What is Loeb's reputation among astrophysicists? He's written "over 800 scientific papers". Is that... a good thing in his field?

He's numerically sound (astrophysics is a lot of math) but stretching things on alien interpretations.

His wikipedia page captures both facets:

    Loeb is the Frank B. Baird Jr. Professor of Science at Harvard University. He had been the longest serving chair of Harvard's Department of Astronomy (2011–2020), founding director of Harvard's Black Hole Initiative (since 2016) and director of the Institute for Theory and Computation (since 2007) within the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.

    Loeb is a fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, the American Physical Society, and the International Academy of Astronautics. In July 2018, he was appointed as chair of the Board on Physics and Astronomy (BPA) of the National Academies,
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    In June 2023, Loeb announced the project had found interstellar material on the ocean floor..

    These claims were criticized by other scientists as hasty, sensational, and part of a pattern of improper behavior.

    Peter Brown, a meteor physicist at the University of Western Ontario, argued the material can be explained as non-interstellar, [...] Brown further said he was disturbed by Loeb's lack of engagement with relevant experts.

    Astrophysicist Steve Desch, at Arizona State University, commented "[his claims are] polluting good science—conflating the good science we do with this ridiculous sensationalism and sucking all the oxygen out of the room", and said several of his colleagues are consequently refusing to engage with Loeb in the peer review process.
As noted elsewhere about a competant brain surgeon believing pyramids to be hollow, it's entirely possible to reason well about physical forces and black holes and to also be utterly incorrect about material science of metallurgy.

quotes from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avi_Loeb

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Avi Loeb is an interesting scientist. I read a longer article about him that gave some more background about his work [1]. While he is famous for going on podcasts and making wild claims about objects being signs of alien intelligence, the actual hard science that he's doing is interesting. E.g, this expedition he managed to get funding to recover these extrasolar particles. The clickbaity pop media says that this is…

What is Loeb's reputation among astrophysicists? He's written "over 800 scientific papers". Is that... a good thing in his field?

Here's a video essay from an astrophysicist about Avi Loeb (though she's transitioned to the private sector, I believe software engineering but I may be mistaken):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY985qzn7oI [1 hour]

The video predates the spherecule stuff and focuses on his assertion 'Oumuamua was "most likely" debris from an extraterrestrial spacecraft.

Tl;Dw: he doesn't seem to have a good reputation within the SETI community, and Dr. Collie's personal opinion is that many of these papers are insubstantial; he often publishes a couple paragraphs proposing a thought experiment or cool idea, more blog posts than research.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Avi Loeb is an interesting scientist. I read a longer article about him that gave some more background about his work [1]. While he is famous for going on podcasts and making wild claims about objects being signs of alien intelligence, the actual hard science that he's doing is interesting. E.g, this expedition he managed to get funding to recover these extrasolar particles. The clickbaity pop media says that this is…

What is Loeb's reputation among astrophysicists? He's written "over 800 scientific papers". Is that... a good thing in his field?

> What is Loeb's reputation among astrophysicists?

Not an astrophysicist but several friends are. The consensus seems to be that he was a good scientist at one point but has turned into a sensationalist attention monger.

> He's written "over 800 scientific papers". Is that... a good thing in his field?

He's been an author on over 800 scientific papers: that includes his work, work he's been a significant collaborator on, and student work he's supervised. 800 is a lot for someone his age but not unheard of. People care much more about paper quality (or less charitably, citation count) than quantity.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Which hardest problem would that be? There are a fuckload of astrophysicists.

Whether or not other formations of molecules, Carbon(organic-based), Silicon, or otherwise similar elements of modest combinational reactive potential (Germanium?), outside of our planetary gravity well, have managed to arrange themselves -- despite increasing entropy, yet due to gravity itself -- in a manner of complexity large enough (in magnitudes) that, as an emergent property of its own existence, has given rise to awareness of itself and, obviously, its abilities to manipulate the environment.

Does 'life' exist, outside our planet, or solar system?

"Are" - awareness of object permanence "we" - the collective consciousness of our species "alone" - the ability to distinguish ourselves from our environment "?" - the ability to ponder abstract thoughts

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Not the person that you asked but I think they’re full of it. Maybe they like to believe that the American government is powerful enough to control beings in possession of technology capable of interstellar travel. I don’t buy it. Or the cheese is just sliding off their cracker. Happens to many otherwise very bright folks.

I always think about how Ben Carson was one of the most skilled (if not the most skilled) neurosurgeons in the world, so knowledgeable about the human brain and so deft at operating on it that he was able to separate conjoined twins in a then-unprecedented procedure... and is also a creationist who believes that the Egyptian pyramids were biblical grain silos.

Linus Pauling is another example. The only person to ever receive two unshared Nobel prizes, considered one of the top 20 scientists of all time, and he was a huge proponent of megavitamin pseudoscience.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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That is covered in the paper. Was there a flaw in their control process?

"if I can't explain it any other way then it must be aliens" feels very like "If I can't explain genetics any other way then it must be god and therefore evolution does not exist: its god" how about: "If I can't explain it because I am not competent then you are a fool for believing my reasoning why this is x and not y or z or a or b" He found a thing. It's unusual in composition and physical form. Therefore, we can…

I think you are confusing “alien” in the sense of “not from our solar system” with the green dudes with big eyes. I think his argument that this meteor (IM1) was not from our solar system is pretty compelling.

It’s not “evidence of aliens,” it’s evidence of extrasolar origin of this particular meteor.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Thanks for pointing that out! What are your thoughts on the latest UFO congressional hearing? Do you think these people just turned their careers and image to shambles because they just wanted some sensationalism or do you give people any benefit of the doubt?

Some things to keep in mind about these UFO hearings: 1. The reports are all second- and third- hand. To my knowledge, no DoD employee has testified to anybody in Congress that they personally witnessed extraterrestrial technology or "biologics". 2. The exception here is a "Jonathan Grey", who hasn't testified before Congress, or, for that matter, been identified; he's one of David Grusch's sources, under a pseudonym…

> 4. We know about Grusch's testimony because the Pentagon cleared it, where "it" refers to what would be the single most significant military secret ever held by the government of any country.

Source for this? I haven't heard that one before.

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