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Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

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Post by inglor_cz »

coryrc wrote: post #26
karmakurtisaani wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bet you could find a subpopulation of India that is responsible of most of the homicides in the country. I bet you'd also find a lot of poverty, systemic oppression and alienation from society in that group. Then you'd start to perhaps understand the issue more broadly than by the color of skin. However, if you are motivated by ... other things, I'm sure you can just jump to conclusions and tell us all the statisti…

> I bet you could find It seems you base your beliefs on things you imagine instead of facts.

Yeah, it read like an article of faith rather than an analysis. It simply must be so.

There are many examples in history where it was the privileged class/race/ethnicity/group that was the most murderous one.

Spartiates, Normans, elites of Renaissance Italy, even Nazis (see: The Night of Long Knives).

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

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Post by karmakurtisaani »

coryrc wrote: post #26
karmakurtisaani wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bet you could find a subpopulation of India that is responsible of most of the homicides in the country. I bet you'd also find a lot of poverty, systemic oppression and alienation from society in that group. Then you'd start to perhaps understand the issue more broadly than by the color of skin. However, if you are motivated by ... other things, I'm sure you can just jump to conclusions and tell us all the statisti…

> I bet you could find It seems you base your beliefs on things you imagine instead of facts.

Ok, here's a proof for you: Take the sub-population of only consisting of murderers in the country. You will not find a consistent pattern of well doing middle class people.

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

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Post by karmakurtisaani »

inglor_cz wrote: post #31
coryrc wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I bet you could find It seems you base your beliefs on things you imagine instead of facts.

Yeah, it read like an article of faith rather than an analysis. It simply must be so. There are many examples in history where it was the privileged class/race/ethnicity/group that was the most murderous one. Spartiates, Normans, elites of Renaissance Italy, even Nazis (see: The Night of Long Knives).

In your examples the murdering was done in a systemic fashion, i.e., driven by the state. It is not relevant for the discussion here.

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

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Post by karmakurtisaani »

coryrc wrote: post #29
karmakurtisaani wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And do you think the most oppressed had the chance to immigrate to America?

I cannot find evidence Dalits in America (recently only 1.5% of immigrants) are committing crimes above the baseline rate in the USA; it's hard to search because most information is about them being victims of crime.

I think you're still missing a key point: a person who immigrates is (on average) more motivated, more wealthy and more educated than their peers. This also applies to a Dalit person immigrating to America.

And very importantly for this discussion, an immigrant has no criminal record. So the people who have commited crimes are already filtered out in this process.

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

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Post by tptacek »

rayiner wrote: post #25

It’s part of a broader effort to manipulate Asians’ perceptions about facts relevant to their self interest. Asians are half as likely to be shot by police than whites, and a third less likely to be incarcerated. The cost-benefit curves for Asians when it comes to policing and criminal justice are markedly different than for other voter groups. And that’s a problem for maintaining the Biden coalition. So what happene…

Everything in this comment seems well-founded and insightful, except and that's a problem for maintaining the Biden coalition. The Biden coalition is actively, overtly pro-policing, for the obvious reason that the majority of the Democratic coalition is pro-policing. Asian Americans are no part at all of the coalition's challenge, as any graph of educational attainment by race will show you; as a demographic, for '22 and '24, they're locked in.

Local politics are a different story, but local politics tend to involve changing which people in the party get to hold office, not changing which party holds office. See: San Francisco.

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

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Post by inglor_cz »

karmakurtisaani wrote: post #33
inglor_cz wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, it read like an article of faith rather than an analysis. It simply must be so. There are many examples in history where it was the privileged class/race/ethnicity/group that was the most murderous one. Spartiates, Normans, elites of Renaissance Italy, even Nazis (see: The Night of Long Knives).

In your examples the murdering was done in a systemic fashion, i.e., driven by the state. It is not relevant for the discussion here.

Not necessarily, e.g. the Normans had a well-deserved reputation of being extraordinarily violent on their own. Even Norman bishops were known to travel armed and get into fights. (And the state back then was far too weak to prevent such behavior even if it wanted to.)

Also, gangs can be seen as proto-states, and a lot of today's criminal violence is gang-related. There isn't really that much difference between, say, drug cartels and the kind of violent packs of future nobility that raided and terrorized Early Middle Age villages in the post-Roman world.

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

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Post by illuminerdy »

karmakurtisaani wrote: post #23
illuminerdy wrote: post #13

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> "For one, it has been well established that the "racial" group that is overrepresented in violence against Asians is not "white" people." Its a typical tactic of the media and the globalist. Find a problem, but instead of dealing with the real cause, find some way to turn it towards attacking the desired group. They did it with "black lives matter" except its summertime and every weekend for a decade you could find…

I think the point of BLM was to draw attention to the police violence against black people.

I have no issue with bringing attention to police violence against any citizen. The problem is that not every instance of police violence or killing is unjustified, which is the way it is portrayed by BLM and the media. In fact, most of them are justified based on the circumstances.

Nor does it make sense to call your organization or movement "black lives matter" when you literally ignore the everyday violence in black communities that kills 99% of black people.

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

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Post by cuteboy19 »

rayiner wrote: post #25

It’s part of a broader effort to manipulate Asians’ perceptions about facts relevant to their self interest. Asians are half as likely to be shot by police than whites, and a third less likely to be incarcerated. The cost-benefit curves for Asians when it comes to policing and criminal justice are markedly different than for other voter groups. And that’s a problem for maintaining the Biden coalition. So what happene…

AAPI is such a strange acronym. So lopsided with 5 billion Asians on one side and the 2 million Pacific Islanders on the other

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

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Post by karmakurtisaani »

inglor_cz wrote: post #36
karmakurtisaani wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In your examples the murdering was done in a systemic fashion, i.e., driven by the state. It is not relevant for the discussion here.

Not necessarily, e.g. the Normans had a well-deserved reputation of being extraordinarily violent on their own. Even Norman bishops were known to travel armed and get into fights. (And the state back then was far too weak to prevent such behavior even if it wanted to.) Also, gangs can be seen as proto-states, and a lot of today's criminal violence is gang-related. There isn't really that much difference between, say,…

I'm very sorry, but I have difficulties relating this post to the earlier discussion. I'm sure you are factually correct, but the examples start to be so far removed (and in some sense not terribly relevant even as edge cases) from the earlier context that I simply can't add anything without sounding terribly rude.

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

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Post by hasty »

twic wrote: post #28
hasty wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's there (table 5); it's just formatted differently. Presumably the original poster decided not to include it, as it added the footnote "Victims of other races are not shown separately due to small numbers of sample cases", which doesn't fit his framing.

What document are you talking about here? In the "full report" [1] table 5 is "Rate of victimization reported and not reported to police, by type of crime, 2019–2020", and has nothing about race. This document doesn't contain any equivalent of the cross-tabulations contained in the tweet, as far as i can tell. [1] https://bjs.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xyckuh236/files/media/docu...

The report's been split into two docs. The referenced table is in the Supplemental Statistical Tables by the same authors: https://bjs.ojp.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv20sst.pdf
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