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Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

karmakurtisaani wrote: post #6
ralusek wrote: post #4

There is almost nothing that bothers me more than the control of information. At least with this issue, however, the reasoning as to why data is being manipulated is so abundantly clear that there is actually virtually no loss of information for the time being. The reality is that Asians largely constitute a problem for the prevailing narrative around racial and ethnic power dynamics. Indians, for example, despite be…

It feels a bit wrong to frame many things from the point of view of ethnicity, although that definitely has it's place too. If you look at these groups, you should see that many immigrants from Asia were already well off enough to immigrate, so in some sense mid-to-upper class of their societies. This is not by far the case for native Americans and African Americans, who have been oppressed for generations in America…

> many immigrants from Asia were already well off enough to immigrate, so in some sense mid-to-upper class of their societies

For recent migrants, sure. For others, we spent over a century putting them in ghettos, rail gangs and concentration camps. Broadly speaking, I see no gain for anyone, minorities the least, in creating a caste system of victimhood in America.

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

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Post by illuminerdy »

ralusek wrote: post #4

There is almost nothing that bothers me more than the control of information. At least with this issue, however, the reasoning as to why data is being manipulated is so abundantly clear that there is actually virtually no loss of information for the time being. The reality is that Asians largely constitute a problem for the prevailing narrative around racial and ethnic power dynamics. Indians, for example, despite be…

> "For one, it has been well established that the "racial" group that is overrepresented in violence against Asians is not "white" people."

Its a typical tactic of the media and the globalist. Find a problem, but instead of dealing with the real cause, find some way to turn it towards attacking the desired group.

They did it with "black lives matter" except its summertime and every weekend for a decade you could find black people being murdered in record numbers in places like Chicago and Baltimore by other black people without so much as a peep from them. For some reason the 1% of deaths outweigh the 99% because the race of the shooter is ultimately what matters, not the fact that black people are dying.

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

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Post by zephrx1111 »

Racism in 21st century is a misleading term for social problems. It is barking against the wrong tree.

Some people, because their education level, would accept and believe whatever their info source pour to them. I’m from China. I know how aggressive the “little-pinks” would behave online and in real world.

Unfortunately, for some reason, this population can roughly map to some races. The political industry is using this issue to rake in their own internet. They are preventing this problem to be fixed.

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

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Post by karmakurtisaani »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #11
karmakurtisaani wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It feels a bit wrong to frame many things from the point of view of ethnicity, although that definitely has it's place too. If you look at these groups, you should see that many immigrants from Asia were already well off enough to immigrate, so in some sense mid-to-upper class of their societies. This is not by far the case for native Americans and African Americans, who have been oppressed for generations in America…

> many immigrants from Asia were already well off enough to immigrate, so in some sense mid-to-upper class of their societies For recent migrants, sure. For others, we spent over a century putting them in ghettos, rail gangs and concentration camps. Broadly speaking, I see no gain for anyone, minorities the least, in creating a caste system of victimhood in America.

Not sure what your point is, but it sounds to be in line with mine: ethnicity/race is perhaps a too rough categorization of people to be used outside of a very specific context.

Edited to please the pedantic among us.

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

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Post by cuteboy19 »

karmakurtisaani wrote: post #10
coryrc wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many Indian subpopulations have been oppressed for multiple times longer than the United States even existed, yet don't have the same problems. Why do you have such low expectations for a population with 5x the murder rate?

And do you think the most oppressed had the chance to immigrate to America?

Your point is very valid considering the caste distribution of Indian Americans. However,

The homicide rate of India proper is 2.9 cases per 100,000 population. That of Asian Americans is about the same.

The rate for African Americans is around 18

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

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Post by ralusek »

karmakurtisaani wrote: post #6
ralusek wrote: post #4

There is almost nothing that bothers me more than the control of information. At least with this issue, however, the reasoning as to why data is being manipulated is so abundantly clear that there is actually virtually no loss of information for the time being. The reality is that Asians largely constitute a problem for the prevailing narrative around racial and ethnic power dynamics. Indians, for example, despite be…

It feels a bit wrong to frame many things from the point of view of ethnicity, although that definitely has it's place too. If you look at these groups, you should see that many immigrants from Asia were already well off enough to immigrate, so in some sense mid-to-upper class of their societies. This is not by far the case for native Americans and African Americans, who have been oppressed for generations in America…

> If you look at these groups, you should see that many immigrants from Asia were already well off enough to immigrate, so in some sense mid-to-upper class of their societies.

There are actually many reasons why immigrants cannot be directly compared to native populations. A huge one, for example, is that you're not just selecting from those who are typically filtered according to some meritocratic criteria, but you're also filtering people who are motivated enough and sufficiently risk averse so as to upend their whole lives and move somewhere. This is what I meant by controlling for these factors.

In regards to viewing things from the perspective of race, I agree completely. I think that making decisions on the basis of race is functionally the core of racism. That being said, the people whose narratives I'm combatting are racial identitarians, they make arguments in terms of racial populations, and have to be addressed in such terms. i.e. if they say that America is a horribly racist country whose systems are dictated by white supremacy and patriarchy, the only way to tease these arguments apart is by pulling out racial statistics.

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

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Post by MerelyMortal »

Michael Burry is notorius for deleting his tweets, so the HN post link will soon be broken.

This is a copy in an archive of his tweets:

https://mobile.twitter.com/BurryArchive/status/1556004280695...

(I think he deletes his tweets to stop scammers from posting crypto scams in the replies.)

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

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Post by peyton »

karmakurtisaani wrote: post #15
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> many immigrants from Asia were already well off enough to immigrate, so in some sense mid-to-upper class of their societies For recent migrants, sure. For others, we spent over a century putting them in ghettos, rail gangs and concentration camps. Broadly speaking, I see no gain for anyone, minorities the least, in creating a caste system of victimhood in America.

Not sure what your point is, but it sounds to be in line with mine: ethnicity/race is perhaps a too rough categorization of people to be used outside of a very specific context. Edited to please the pedantic among us.

I think the caste system of victimhood revolves around race, not ethnicity. Race, as we all know, is a social construct and thus provides the context.

Re: The government is burying the anti-Asian violent hate crime crisis

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Post by thriftwy »

zephrx1111 wrote: post #14

Racism in 21st century is a misleading term for social problems. It is barking against the wrong tree. Some people, because their education level, would accept and believe whatever their info source pour to them. I’m from China. I know how aggressive the “little-pinks” would behave online and in real world. Unfortunately, for some reason, this population can roughly map to some races. The political industry is using…

It is a deliberated, orchestrated effort to bark at the wrong tree which mostly arose after the 99% movement in the (successful) effort to divert.
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