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The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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Post by mc32 »

What's most concerning in the article is that people fear for their livelihoods, family, friendship and education if they even /question/ the curriculum and whether it's helping or not.

Parents and pupils are AFRAID to be labeled CAPITALISTS? That's nuts. What are they supposed to ID with, Cuba, Venezuela?

I cannot find any other comparison more apt than the cultural revolution. The received doctrine was right and any question was counterrevolutionary and deserving of punishment in the harshest terms.

Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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Post by TerminalSystem3 »

borepop wrote: post #30
TerminalSystem3 wrote: post #25

The reaction to this article kind of says it all for me. Right leaning readers seem to accept the claims, although anonymous, because they have experience on the ground that would make them believe such claims. Left leaning readers refuse to accept the claims because they are anonymous and could easily be made up. It's confirmation bias all the way down. I personally tend to lean more on the right here because I went…

>There is simply no possible way this country can survive when the value systems are so opposed to each other. That strikes me as a rather hyperbolic take. It's rather like the Jordan Peterson vision of reality in which certain ideological shifts in the educational realm are portrayed as being a wholesale reworking of society in general rather than what they actually are -- namely, just some aspects of the life of sc…

I dunno, dude - I think to the rational folk on HN it does indeed seem hyperbolic, but there are a lot of really pissed off people who are a little beyond the point of rationality.

For instance, a recent survey showing 29% of respondents would support breaking up the US: http://brightlinewatch.org/american-democracy-at-the-start-o... The source is apparently legit and founded by Yale / Dartmouth professors.

Combine this with the increasing demands of the new ideology, the massive inequality of the modern age, the future automation job losses, and tons of pressure from foreign nations who would love to see a weaker US - I think in 10 years there could easily be some crisis.

Edit: Forgot to mention that I don't think this is constrained to the educational realm. I can certainly tell you that in Big Tech Company Inc, we get emails every day about ending white supremacy, anti racism, yada yada.

Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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Post by [deleted] »

spicymaki wrote: post #12
tw_hn_3_9_2021 wrote: post #6

I've encountered this sort of ideology before in education. My plan is to send my children to Chinese public schools in Shanghai. They will live with relatives. They will obtain a better education, better peers, with none of this article's indoctrination at a cheaper cost. I will not risk my (white) children believing they are inferior to anyone else in academics. I do not trust the American education system to bring…

This sounds really odd. You are going to send your white children to Shanghai so they can learn not to feel inferior to Chinese children? Why would being a minority in a authoritarian communist society make your children feel more secure?

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Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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Post by tw_hn_3_9_2021 »

spicymaki wrote: post #12
tw_hn_3_9_2021 wrote: post #6

I've encountered this sort of ideology before in education. My plan is to send my children to Chinese public schools in Shanghai. They will live with relatives. They will obtain a better education, better peers, with none of this article's indoctrination at a cheaper cost. I will not risk my (white) children believing they are inferior to anyone else in academics. I do not trust the American education system to bring…

This sounds really odd. You are going to send your white children to Shanghai so they can learn not to feel inferior to Chinese children? Why would being a minority in a authoritarian communist society make your children feel more secure?

I am not sending my children to Shanghai so they can learn to not feel inferior to Chinese children. Your question is loaded.

I went to high school in the US. I've seen too many of my (white) friends claim they are inferior to my (asian) friends in mathematics. No race is naturally better at any race at anything. I consider their capitulation a byproduct of the US educational system that fails to teach its domestic students mathematics to-par with their international peers. I had to fight my mathematics teachers and counselors for further mathematics education in high school. The US system is completely unacceptable. That is why I plan on sending my children to a Chinese public school and to be cared for by my relatives.

>Why would being a minority in a authoritarian communist society make your children feel more secure?

This is besides the point. US citizens can securely raise children in China. Some Chinese minorities can securely raise their children, like Manchus and Mongols. Other Chinese minorities cannot, like Uighurs.

edit: I read through your previous comments and I see you have made previous disparaging comments about conservatives in the US. I am far more suspicious of your comment now.

Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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Post by sjg007 »

tw_hn_3_9_2021 wrote: post #6

I've encountered this sort of ideology before in education. My plan is to send my children to Chinese public schools in Shanghai. They will live with relatives. They will obtain a better education, better peers, with none of this article's indoctrination at a cheaper cost. I will not risk my (white) children believing they are inferior to anyone else in academics. I do not trust the American education system to bring…

What?

Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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Post by borepop »

TerminalSystem3 wrote: post #32
borepop wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>There is simply no possible way this country can survive when the value systems are so opposed to each other. That strikes me as a rather hyperbolic take. It's rather like the Jordan Peterson vision of reality in which certain ideological shifts in the educational realm are portrayed as being a wholesale reworking of society in general rather than what they actually are -- namely, just some aspects of the life of sc…

I dunno, dude - I think to the rational folk on HN it does indeed seem hyperbolic, but there are a lot of really pissed off people who are a little beyond the point of rationality. For instance, a recent survey showing 29% of respondents would support breaking up the US: http://brightlinewatch.org/american-democracy-at-the-start-o... The source is apparently legit and founded by Yale / Dartmouth professors. Combine t…

Well I agree that there are some bigger societal shifts going on that are indeed pretty destabilizing. I was just commenting that nuances of the curriculum of high schools, or even undergrad education, around questions of race/gender/capitalism (or whatever woke themes) is not really quite as consequential as I think some folks, including the author of the article that is the subject of the post, make it out to be. All these elite schools, no matter what their political posturing, are still basically just manufacturing future elites who will be perfectly content to perpetuate the status quo in whatever way is advantageous to them. If that involves more racial equity, or different pronouns, or whatever, nobody actually gives a shit as long as their own economic ox is not gored.

Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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Post by cPALdjfH »

jariel wrote: post #23
vineyardmike wrote: post #14

> Fluency in woke is an effective class marker and key for these princelings to retain status in university and beyond. While i have heard people issue the sentiment of this article, its hard to take anyone seriously when they use the term "woke". The word is only ever used in a derogatory manner, which is a give-away that the author has clear bias and agenda (as opposed to reporting on the parents and opinions thems…

Don Lemon encouraging us to 'Stay Woke' just a few days ago [1]. It's trending towards derogatory but still commonly used. [1] https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2021/03/04/cnn_don_l...

We could replace it with "Amerika, erwache!" (America, wake up!).

Has a proven totalitarian history. /s

Re: The Miseducation of America’s Elites

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Post by joshz404 »

barbacoa wrote: post #22
spicymaki wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you. I read the first paragraph and my eyes rolled. This must be a American conservative propaganda (the talking points are so trite and boring). Is this where the conservative intelligentsia is at these days? [The woke sjw boogie man is coming to mind control your kid at their elite school, then he will cancel you, they must be stopped at all costs!] Do people really read this trash?

This article was written by bari weiss who in no way a conservative or a propagandist. She is a pretty well respected and moderately well known journalist.

Ah, so this is what Bari is up-to now.
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