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Abolish the Cash Bail System

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Re: Abolish the Cash Bail System

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Post by bdcravens »

hevelvarik wrote: post #10

No. First figure out how to keep dangerous criminals off the street pre-trial. Then let’s talk. Cash bail is regressive and often unjust, I’m not willing to correct this injustice without a viable alternative to simply allowing dangerous people back onto the street hoping that they show up to trial and that they do not destroy while out. I believe our system has flaws that need correcting, but I do not advocate destr…

I can't imagine they would allow release of the criminals they currently don't allow release of. Many "dangerous criminals" are already allowed release if they have the financial resources for bail. (usually 10-20% of the actual bail amount)

Re: Abolish the Cash Bail System

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Post by hevelvarik »

avs733 wrote: post #21
hevelvarik wrote: post #10

No. First figure out how to keep dangerous criminals off the street pre-trial. Then let’s talk. Cash bail is regressive and often unjust, I’m not willing to correct this injustice without a viable alternative to simply allowing dangerous people back onto the street hoping that they show up to trial and that they do not destroy while out. I believe our system has flaws that need correcting, but I do not advocate destr…

So just to summarize down, you are willing to sacrifice the freedom of an unknown other so that you feel you are safer?

Yes I will vote to keep the system as is because I believe it works generally. I’m willing to vote for progress but only without system breaking regression, sorry about that

Re: Abolish the Cash Bail System

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Post by anigbrowl »

hevelvarik wrote: post #10

No. First figure out how to keep dangerous criminals off the street pre-trial. Then let’s talk. Cash bail is regressive and often unjust, I’m not willing to correct this injustice without a viable alternative to simply allowing dangerous people back onto the street hoping that they show up to trial and that they do not destroy while out. I believe our system has flaws that need correcting, but I do not advocate destr…

But we already have that system, keep potentially dangerous people confined until their (ideally speedy) trial. We typically do this already. The only thing that's 'difficult' about this is that rich people would be stuck in jail with no way to buy their way out.

Re: Abolish the Cash Bail System

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Post by smitty1110 »

hevelvarik wrote: post #10

No. First figure out how to keep dangerous criminals off the street pre-trial. Then let’s talk. Cash bail is regressive and often unjust, I’m not willing to correct this injustice without a viable alternative to simply allowing dangerous people back onto the street hoping that they show up to trial and that they do not destroy while out. I believe our system has flaws that need correcting, but I do not advocate destr…

There are plenty of valid reasons for detaining a suspect without bail [1]. Violent crimes, histories of violence, and repeat offenses all seem to trigger detention without bail at the federal level. It should also be noted that the subject of bail actually only appears once, in 18 sec. 3142(c)(B)(xii).

N.B. - This is federal law, I'm not going to try to dive into individual state law unless I'm being bribed with aged alcohol. Especially Louisianan law.

[1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/3142

Re: Abolish the Cash Bail System

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Post by kova12 »

> perpetuates inequities in the justice system that are disproportionately felt by black and brown communities

Why oh why isn't there a single good point on the internet that isn't getting turned into BLM propaganda

Re: Abolish the Cash Bail System

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Post by superflit »

8note wrote: post #30
hevelvarik wrote: post #10

No. First figure out how to keep dangerous criminals off the street pre-trial. Then let’s talk. Cash bail is regressive and often unjust, I’m not willing to correct this injustice without a viable alternative to simply allowing dangerous people back onto the street hoping that they show up to trial and that they do not destroy while out. I believe our system has flaws that need correcting, but I do not advocate destr…

How many of the people in jail are dangerous though? Versus something like possession of marijuana And does the level of danger correlate to the criminal's wealth?

The "possession of marijuana" example is a straw man.

People are incarcerated for "possession of marijuana" together with a lot of things.

it is not only "possession of marijuana"

Re: Abolish the Cash Bail System

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Post by Larrikin »

creato wrote: post #14
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? It looks like your proposing someone pay someone else to do a particular role. What does that have to do with cash bail? I'm confused.

The point of bail is to put the defendant (or someone close to them) on the hook to pay the bail if the defendant doesn't show up in court. Bail bondsmen offer a different deal: pay us a fee (smaller than the bond), we'll pay your bail. If you don't show up to court, the bondsmen loses the bail bond unless they can go find the defendant and bring them into court. I think maybe the thing that should most change in thi…

Why are we contracting out to a private business an actual sensible thing for the police to do? Law enforcement tracks down people with warrants why not issue warrants for people who skip out on court?

Re: Abolish the Cash Bail System

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Post by nmfisher »

Retric wrote: post #26
creato wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> regardless of the severity of your crime, your ability to go home and see your family is determined by your financial status? Bail is in fact supposed to be a function of your financial status, and the severity of the crime. What do you suggest as an alternative to bail bonds? Maybe ankle monitors for those awaiting trial? I think maybe the thing that should most change is outlawing bail bondsmen. It seems like the…

Putting people out on their own recognizance works in most cases. The rare exception of a serious flight risk simply doesn’t get bail anyway.

> Putting people out on their own recognizance works in most cases.

Has this been studied?

Re: Abolish the Cash Bail System

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Post by tyrust »

tom-_- wrote: post #22

California Prop 25 on the ballot this election replaces cash bails with a risk assessment scoring system based on Senate Bill 10: https://policylab.stanford.edu/media/improving-california-ba... Note the flaws in its design that could replace the existing system with one that has potentially worse biases.

It looks like you have linked a paper proposing an improvement to SB10 that is unrelated to Prop 25, was this intentional?
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