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Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by phalangion »

jagged-chisel wrote: post #25
dessant wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't even need to leave your porch to get shot. Police and National Guard are patrolling neighborhoods and shooting civilians with paint canisters on their own property in Minneapolis. In one case they yelled "Light 'em up!" before starting to shoot [1] with ammunition that could blind people. It's legal to be outside your house during the curfew in Minneapolis [2]. > Can I be outside my house (on my property) a…

> shooting civilians with paint canisters on their own property Even if it weren't legal to be outside on your own property from 8p-6a, this isn't proper enforcement of the law.

That's because the National Guard isn't law enforcement.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by fsloth »

roenxi wrote: post #20
samdamsamm wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tonight I witnessed a young girl get knocked out cold by a tear gas canister shot into her face from about a 40 ft. range. She was holding her hands up. There was nothing but peaceful protesters standing around, not blocking traffic. No vandalism anywhere in sight. This was in Louisville, KY. The police fired rubber bullets at the group of people carrying her away to a place on the other side of the line of humvees b…

> Everything most middle-income Americans think about our police forces is wrong. That statement is a bit vague, everyone is going to substitute their own interpretation in. The police don't target racial minorities because they are racist. People who want power over others sign up for policing - and then go after groups who have the least ability to fight back. The middle income might know the symptoms, but they are…

It's hardly inescapable. Police in the nordic countries acts and behaves more or less as a service branch of the government rather as a bully. But they have several years of training whereas US has only - what, a few months? I would say it's about skimping costs in the wrong place. US system is weird that in it's local search of frugal solutions it creates inefficient systems (like the medical sector).

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by [deleted] »

phalangion wrote: post #31
jagged-chisel wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> shooting civilians with paint canisters on their own property Even if it weren't legal to be outside on your own property from 8p-6a, this isn't proper enforcement of the law.

That's because the National Guard isn't law enforcement.

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Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by samizdis »

terramex wrote: post #27
tmsh wrote: post #2

Can I just say - the sources for good, actionable news are sometimes the strangest of places these days. I've started just reading: http://reddit.com/r/news instead of newspaper websites and it's nice - some affiliate tv news stations (the Minneapolis newspapers...not so much) or student newspapers (I see you Crimson reporting on the anthropology department) are getting it done and sometimes more consistently than ma…

I use https://legiblenews.com to keep up with most important things happening in the world.

That seems to be a timed snap-shotted version of Wikipedia's current events page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by tonyarkles »

kenneth wrote: post #9
lordnacho wrote: post #5

Why do I not see more drones in the protest videos? You'd think that would be a safe way to film things, plus it's a little harder to confiscate than your phone.

I was wondering the same thing myself today. It'd be interesting to come up with a drone that's ideal for this purpose… that can quickly fly and relocate somewhere, but can land on any flat surface and record remotely. You could perch it on nearby buildings or even things like traffic lights

As a warning for people who might try to do this with existing off-the-shelf drones, be warned that trying to do this is likely going to result in you losing your drone. Not that you'll have a crash, but my experience with a wide range of drones (from little $30 whoops to $40k commercial cinematography units) is that they often do not like to takeoff again after landing and sitting for any length of time. Best I can tell, accelerometer/gyro/compass errors start to accumulate while the aircraft isn't moving, and it puts the flight controllers in a bad state.

I actually had a client ask me about just such an application yesterday. It's a really great concept and definitely worth exploring.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by IanCal »

StellarTabi wrote: post #11

It's always ethical to film police misconduct, in fact what's unethical is that they're not already filming themselves. Safety is important, protesters (and even journalists...) have been livestreaming themselves innocently doing nothing (in contrast to other media's hyper-focusing on "looting") then getting shot with rubber bullets. One of them reportedly has permanent blindness in the left eye as a result. Police b…

> It's always ethical to film police misconduct, in fact what's unethical is that they're not already filming themselves.

That it is possible to film ethically is not the point.

Particularly if you include sharing the video as part of "filming" then there's a lot to consider which this goes into.

Two things to me are simple and good examples - does what I'm filming accurately reflect what's happening? If I deliberately avoid filming certain things then I can distort the facts. The other is around consent of the other people in the video (more important when it comes to sharing).

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by anigbrowl »

watwut wrote: post #10
lordnacho wrote: post #5

Why do I not see more drones in the protest videos? You'd think that would be a safe way to film things, plus it's a little harder to confiscate than your phone.

If you flight drone over protest and something hit the drone or you crash the drone, the drone will fall on people under it.

Pro drones have lights and people can react in time, it's totally cool as long as you're not a cop. If you're a cop, you're not getting your drone back.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by tonyarkles »

PeterStuer wrote: post #8
lordnacho wrote: post #5

Why do I not see more drones in the protest videos? You'd think that would be a safe way to film things, plus it's a little harder to confiscate than your phone.

Flying over groups of people is not allowed.

There's nuance to that, at least in Canada. First, you can fly over people if you have an Advanced license and are using a unit with an appropriate Safety Assurance declaration (https://www.tc.gc.ca/en/services/aviation/drone-safety/choos...), you can fly over people.

Second, if your drone is under 250 grams, the rules are pretty much "don't put people in harms way" and "don't put aircraft in harm's way". The DJI Mavic Mini was designed pretty much to squeeze under that limit, coming in at 249g. I don't know if the FAA has a similar rule (a quick Google search suggested the answer is "maybe").

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by anigbrowl »

lordnacho wrote: post #5

Why do I not see more drones in the protest videos? You'd think that would be a safe way to film things, plus it's a little harder to confiscate than your phone.

Money, a good one is $500 and it requires skill to deploy. I saw someone doing it yesterday, but I didn't get a chance to talk to them.

Re: How to Safely and Ethically Film Police Misconduct

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Post by anigbrowl »

PeterStuer wrote: post #8
lordnacho wrote: post #5

Why do I not see more drones in the protest videos? You'd think that would be a safe way to film things, plus it's a little harder to confiscate than your phone.

Flying over groups of people is not allowed.

You should go to a protest, this is a great time to reset your priors about what is 'allowed.'
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