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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by Barrin92 »

oldmanthrowit wrote: post #25
enriquto wrote: post #12

everybody is freaking out about Hong Kong, and not without reason, but there are much larger movements going on elsewhere (Ecuador, Kurdistan, Yemen, ...) Edit: if you think all these places are too far from the "western world", well, think about Catalonia. We have a lot of arrested political prisoners without trial.

Did you really just compare Catalonia: A bunch of rich, entitled Spanish brexiter equivalents to Kurds who are being slaughtered by ISIS, Assad, Russia, and Türkiye? Really???? I spend 2 months per year in Catalonia. There are no kids without legs in the streets. There are not 4 million refugees there. Catalonia is identical to a bunch of Rich British wankers feeling that they are entitled to "more".

this is getting downvoted but its essentially true. The separatism in Catalonia has strong roots in a sort of local superiority complex, not oppression. It's similar to Lega in Northern Italy.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by y-c-o-m-b »

99052882514569 wrote: post #27
dopamean wrote: post #4

> Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey It's kind of incredible how that head line are so terrifying. The only explanation for this is that people don't want information getting out of that area. It's so fucked up. Maybe this is a bit naive to say but I really hate that this is just how things are. We all know what's going to happen and there's nothing that can be done about it. It d…

I mean, it's next to a war zone, with tons of military hardware moving about, preparing to enter fighting. It sounds like pretty reasonable counter-intelligence (not to mention counter-propaganda) move.

They did the same thing in 2017 during the anti-corruption protests in Turkey. This is just a means to prevent atrocities on behalf of Erdogan's government and the military from leaking out into the public sphere.

EDIT: 2014 also: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26677134

> This comes after PM Recep Tayyip Erdogan vowed to "wipe out Twitter" following damaging allegations of corruption in his inner circle.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by olah_1 »

Funes- wrote: post #29
olah_1 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Relevant Tweet: >Mastodon is proving to be a system so censorship resistant even its creators can't censor it. https://twitter.com/peterktodd/status/1147772867783929856 It seems like federation is actually more censorship resistant in some ways than fully distributed p2p systems. Because an ISP could block ports and things required for p2p connections, right?

Wouldn't the authorities just keep blocking instances (i. e., servers)? I may be wrong, but I don't think a federated platform is censorship-resistant in any meaningful way.

I suppose so... I really don't know. How do they find them when they're just over regular HTTP?

Seems like it would be easier to find p2p traffic. But I don't know.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by throwyaway »

99052882514569 wrote: post #27
dopamean wrote: post #4

> Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey It's kind of incredible how that head line are so terrifying. The only explanation for this is that people don't want information getting out of that area. It's so fucked up. Maybe this is a bit naive to say but I really hate that this is just how things are. We all know what's going to happen and there's nothing that can be done about it. It d…

I mean, it's next to a war zone, with tons of military hardware moving about, preparing to enter fighting. It sounds like pretty reasonable counter-intelligence (not to mention counter-propaganda) move.

Right now in Turkey criticizing the operation is considered "terrorist propaganda" (120+ persons already detained), as is reporting that there are victim among Syrian civilians (a few independent journalist already detained and released) any website/tv reporting negatively is being closed by the state TV watchdog. So it is not only about counter-intelligence.

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Post by [deleted] »

bilbo0s wrote: post #21
untreasure wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need to have the ground receiver and those seem relatively easy to restrict.

This. People talk about Starlink like they never heard of RF engineering or something? I mean really, what does Starlink change when the entity doing the blocking is a state level actor?

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Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by everlastingfan »

debt wrote: post #30
plehoux wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't Starlink by Space X solve this? Authoritarian govs. would make it illegal to subscribe... but like VPNs it would be very hard to police, even harder.

The only way is mesh. It’s the only way to permanently stop it.

Sneakernet mesh. RF can be triangulated and blocked.

Re: Twitter, Facebook, WhatsApp and Instagram Restricted in Southern Turkey

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Post by nexuist »

enriquto wrote: post #22
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there are much larger movements going on elsewhere (Ecuador, Kurdistan, Yemen, ...) Nation building is hard. Instilling modern democratic values is hard. Those fights are worth fighting. But Hong Kong is low-hanging fruit. (There is also loss aversion, Hong Kong slipping backwards feels worse than Ecuador remaining Ecuador.)

> Ecuador remaining Ecuador what do you mean, exactly? This is just a personal thing, but I know many ecuadorians and I feel very strong emotions to the current events there. For me it is much closer culturally than Hong-Kong.

The idea of Hong Kong, a city-state with Western freedom + democratic values, falling to authoritarian China is far scarier than Ecuador not changing because it shows that China is willing to put in the effort (and we already know they have the power) to strip other places of their human rights.

If Hong Kong falls, what's next? Likely Taiwan, Tibet, most of SEA...it's a disaster scenario that results in the de-normalization of Western values.

I'm from Albania. I totally understand that you may feel ignored by the world when your country too is fighting for Western values against evil authoritarians. Unfortunately, China is a bigger threat to the entire world than any shitty military dictator our countries can install.

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