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Saudi Women, Tired of Restraints, Find Ways to Flee

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Re: Saudi Women, Tired of Restraints, Find Ways to Flee

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Post by didgeoridoo »

selimthegrim wrote: post #16
h0mEDw wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, but the only way to make it more sensible is to be less thorough. I.e. not implement certain rules that are stated explicitly in the books. Like modern Christians and Jews that do not kill adulterers, even though Deuteronomy explicitly tells them to do so.

Protip: Stoning for adultery isn’t in the Quran, despite any grumbling about lost verses you might hear.

Yes, it’s one of the rare cases where the religion as actually practiced is MORE brutal than its founding text calls for. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajm

Re: Saudi Women, Tired of Restraints, Find Ways to Flee

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Post by dang »

h0mEDw wrote: post #4
duxup wrote: post #2

For those leaving I imagine it seems like they're leaving forever, family, friends, everything you knew is gone. There's no way to know if you ever can go back considering the possible consequences and you're often going to places that aren't familiar. That's a rough choice.

It's worth to mention the consequences explicitly: if you happen to mention you're fleeing because of religious oppression it may be considered apostasy, which is punishable by death[1]. Saudi Arabia is a very thorough implementation of Islam, and therefore a disgusting country. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Saudi_A...

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Re: Saudi Women, Tired of Restraints, Find Ways to Flee

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Post by dang »

Carlton87 wrote: post #17
newyankee wrote: post #7

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not sure why you are flagged but you bring out a valid point.

He is flagged because you are not allowed to call out the political left on supporting Islam. Even though it basically contradicts everything that is politically left. It's a garbage religion and has no place in America. Make Istanbul Constantinople Again. Deus vult.

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Re: Saudi Women, Tired of Restraints, Find Ways to Flee

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Post by yesenadam »

h0mEDw wrote: post #25
twblalock wrote: post #19

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The literal interpretation of the scriptures is not the only one, and it's certainly not the one that was prevalent historically. That's true for both Christianity and Islam. To read scripture literally is not more thorough than to interpret it in some other way.

Well, by thorough I simply meant not skipping any part. And those horrible parts of scriptures from religions originating from middle east (Judaism, Christianity, Islam) really cannot be sensibly interpreted in any metaphoric way unless by skipping it. A common way to do it is by saying "this is very specific code that was only relevant in societies back then; we're wise to not follow it now". But that's just skippin…

I agree that this talk of "non-literal interpretation" doesn't sound sensible. So it's fine for a Christian to break a commandment, say, Do not kill, replying to objections with "Oh don't be no naïve - the literal interpretation of the scriptures is not the only one, and it's certainly not the one that was prevalent historically."?! Uh.. nice work if you can get it. But it seems "non-literal interpretation" is a silly phrase for ignoring something. Like the bits in the Bible about mixed fabrics, shellfish etc that are generally ignored. Though I guess believers have to find dignified-sounding expressions for their current practises, whatever they may be.

In about 2001 in Sydney I got a taxi with a Muslim driver who assured me that he was 100% certain that Jews were behind the September 11 attacks - couldn't possibly be any more certain, he said, as if that would impress me. It was quite frightening.

Re: Saudi Women, Tired of Restraints, Find Ways to Flee

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Post by h0mEDw »

dang wrote: post #32
h0mEDw wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth to mention the consequences explicitly: if you happen to mention you're fleeing because of religious oppression it may be considered apostasy, which is punishable by death[1]. Saudi Arabia is a very thorough implementation of Islam, and therefore a disgusting country. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_Saudi_A...

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Eh, I think I have something interesting to say on this topic. I'm not making a "religious flame war", merely stating that literal and thorough implementations of scriptures cause human suffering. Please see this comment:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18888118

Re: Saudi Women, Tired of Restraints, Find Ways to Flee

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Post by dang »

h0mEDw wrote: post #36
dang wrote: post #32

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Eh, I think I have something interesting to say on this topic. I'm not making a "religious flame war", merely stating that literal and thorough implementations of scriptures cause human suffering. Please see this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18888118

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